My sense at this point is that grotesque flattery works on Trump, but only to a point. Trump doesn’t really like anyone, the best you can do is a slightly-better-than-neutral relationship. (And at the other end he’s willing to coexist with anyone who hasn’t personally slighted him, like Kim Jong Un)
Career politicians doing what they do best, kissing their boss ass.
Anyone else remember when libs were fearmongering that Trump will leave NATO and leftists said “don’t threaten me with a good time”?
I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
Liberals are right-wing. Always have been, always will be.Dutch liberals are not under the progressive umbrella,
so while the Dutch progressive party is advocating to stop the war,
Dutch liberals are in full support of it.??? What does Dutch libs have to do with this? I meant Usians and others here advocating for voting for Harris. They are naturally pro-NATO so they were using argument people should vote for Harris because Trump said he will make USA leave NATO, while it’s obvious NATO is one of prime tools of US imperialism and no way US will leave it and so Trump lied there, and the asskissing in the OP is clear proof.
Rutte is a Dutch lib.
US leftists are irrelevant unless they reform or topple their regime,
with the former being the more unrealistic option.You made it sound like anything changed.
I remember it and it’s still the same with the only two differences now being that for one the
voices of the democratic socialists are slowly going back to their roots,
becoming more and more anti-NATO.
And two, the fearmongering is now geared towards Russia.
Rutte’s bootlicking and increasing EU’s military budget while buying US equipment is not just what Trump wanted,
but the Euro libs as well.I have no idea what did you even read in my post, but it’s a complete non seqitur.
Brain-rot exists. I constantly have to remind my right-wing shit head coworkers that they have more in common with liberals than I do.
"Well whatabout™ this lib rep or that one???”
Great, go get them. Drag them into the street and eat them to absorb their power or hang them in your basement with a ball gag for all I care. They are you’re homies, not mine.
Does Trump not realize that this message makes himself look bad?
I mean, he also paints himself orange and thinks it’s hot…
the one looking bad is the one kissing his ass, he is pretty much saying "look at your secretary general kissing my ass 😂 "
How does it make him look bad?
it doesn’t
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No. The message here is “look at how I´m having my dick sucked”
Yep. But the point is Donald doesn’t realize his dick is getting sucked by someone trying to get a favor out of him rather than just because he’s such a swell guy.
He’s a narcissist. All he sees is compliments, not the clear manipulation behind them.
Give Trump praise, he’ll do exactly what you say. Which is why he thinks Putin is his best friend. Putin is just using Trump as a convenient idiot that’ll do anything asked as long as Trump feels he’ll be complimented by it.
All he has to say is something like:
“Oh Donny, at this time your big hands and strong will are our only hope. Won’t you please bomb Iran to protect the world and become it’s hero?”
And that’s all it takes to start WW3. And Trump would post the message thinking it’s a compliment.
Still… As a European it (well…) sucks that any of our leaders would need to go this low for favors. Even if indeed they would go for 5 percent, the message should be “thank you, and now fuck off”. It is clear he sees Europe as an enemy and it is very likely this 5pcent is to drag our economies down while he saves his from the disaster he’s creating (where do you think Europeans mostly get their weapons and military equipment from?).
So cocksucker rutte (and all the spineless clique except for Spain) gonna get assfucked too
Agreed. And if it wasn’t clear, I think Trump is an idiot. He sees everyone but himself as an enemy, including a vast majority of the country he is President over. He’s not saving the economy in our country - he’s working exclusively for himself and dismantling it for his favor.
The defense money discussed in this meeting is very likely going to Trumps family or friends (like the literal 2 Billion his son recieved from Saudi Royalty) As our economy is very much on its way to another great depression, including the corruption and needless Tariffs that caused it last time.
Everyone that works with Trump gets ass fucked, because the only thing he wants is fealty and self enrichment. There is no benefit towards our country or citizens in his actions, just himself.
At the very least, the leaders of NATO understand this, and sucked his dick over this deal just to make sure the US didn’t leave NATO as Trump has made very clear he gives no fucks about. Without the US’s military backing, NATO is at immediate threat of hostilities, certainly by Russia who wouldn’t hesitate to push past Ukraine and into Europe as Putin has made clear is his goal. The leaders of NATO are simply making a deal with the devil to avoid literal hell.
It sucks you have to deal with those consequences, but at least you have a government that isn’t banning abortion to kill more of your people through sheer ignorance.
afaik he doesn’t have a brain
World leaders have figured out he’s functionally a toddler. Starmer and Trudeau took the same approach.
I’ve have said this before but WW3 will start because of a meme or ChatGPT.
Communication is most effective in the language of receiver. Rutte emulates Trump like ChatGPT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idIxeAYnLGk
NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte says he has ‘no problem’ with US President sharing private message
Of course not, it was the entire idea.
This message is so obviously sucking his asshole, they couldn’t be more obvious yet Trump obviously has no idea
The cheeto really has a long list of mental issues, doesn’t he?
Well … it’s good to see there aren’t just idiots in the US
Trump is getting played because of his fragile ego. Him sharing a message of a person stroking his ego is evidence of it working.
How is he getting played by the imperialist faction agreeing to up their imperialism budget (specifically what he demanded) and praising him?
Mark Rutte used to be the Dutch PM and his part in NATO is to advance the collective security of Europe, now by keeping the US on board. It’s a something for nothing.
The 5% is not binding, it’s just words on a paper, not even the US spends 5%.
This is so poorly written I have no idea if it’s sarcasm or not.
It’s written in a way for Trump to understand
Eh, looks like rutte writes English in the same way that he speaks it. Honestly I first thought that it was a shitpost, but no, it seems legit.
Rutte’s unique approach to English merely reflects the fact that his intellectual ceiling would challenge even the most ambitious root vegetable.
This can’t be real
Real tweet, fake text… no way any NATO leader would say “Europe is going to pay BIG” it’s just too Trump. Same with the incessant comma splices.
But big congrats to Trump for ruining the information space so completely that I genuinely cannot tell what’s real anymore.
This is Mark Rutte.
He would totally say “Europe is going to pay in a BIG way” to flatter Trump.
Incessant comma splices is I guess typically Dutch and indicative to the way Rutte talks. I sometimes do it too.
He’s a liberal, making him almost as right-wing as Ursula von der Leyen, not a social democrat
or a democratic socialist or left of that.Hasn’t Rutte always been known for being able to handle Trump well? I’m pretty sure the only way to do that is kiss his ass in a way he understands, so this doesn’t seem too surprising.
kissing his ass and conceding all his demands is not “handling trump well” lmao
I’m sure EVERY European politician randomly CAPITALISES words like some LUNATIC
It’s Mark Rutte. He certainly would write it like this.
This user is great when it comes to mimicking this.
He’s a true American PATRIOT who loves America BIGLY
And signs their essay texts with their name. Very common as we all know.
I don’t believe this is real, but the all caps words aren’t random. They’re clearly for emphasis, the same kinds of words I might capitalize for effect. That is not really the unbelievable aspect of this scenario.
AP is reporting this as real
I would love and hate to see proof that Mark Rutte really texted this to Trump.
The “Truth” post is 100% real, inarguably, but I haven’t seen anyone reporting the picture is of a real message from Rutte to Trump.
E: never mind that is… apparently Rutte’s office has confirmed the message is really from Rutte???
???
I need to go lie down.
I can tell you as a Dutchman, reading this I could hear Mark Rutte’s voice and it aligns with his anglophile suck-up character.
I couldn’t see him writing it any other way.I’m confused why people are surprised at this, to be honest. It’s entirely expected.
The Rutte team has confirmed it was indeed a real text sent by Mark Rutte to Trump.
It’s entirely expected, not sure why you’re in disbelief.
It reads like something Trump wrote about himself. He’s done that kind of bullshit before.
If you know Mark Rutte long enough, you can tell the difference.
This has been my thought the whole time. It looks read like something someone with an IQ 43 would write about themselves. That or they had Grok do it.
If you know Mark Rutte long enough, then you know it’s his style of flattering a person by mimicking him, mixed in with his own style of speech.
Or something written to pander to him.
Trump has also leaked private messages before.
It’s saying the quiet part out loud. Surely anyone who sees this will be outraged?
It isn’t really a quiet part, though, never has been. NATO has openly been a millitary alliance for the purpose of maintaining Western Imperialism headed by the US, no more and no less, since its inception.
“Really, really”
Ran a quick search and multiple well established news outlets are reporting this.
I’m afraid it is.
The wording does seem very out of character for Rutte but it makes sense that he feels the need to stoop to Trump’s level and overdo the flattering.
Really?
I’d say it hits it completely on point the way Rutte is, an anglophile that doesn’t want to rustle too many feathers unless it’s against leaders of countries outside of NATO.His party is super-pro-Israel and super-anti-Russia.
What’s he gonna complain about?Another .ml telling lies. There are only reports on this from bullshit sources. There are no major sources currently reporting this.
Care to share your “multiple well established sources” or should we just take your word for it?
Holy shit you are the biggest moron on your instance.
Why would this not be real?
It looks legit to me.
It’s got all the little idiosyncracy hallmarks Rutte has.
I don’t think Trump could make this up.Another person hating .ml for stating truths which oppose their fantasy world view.
AP: https://apnews.com/article/trump-rutte-text-message-nato-signal-6263810ac3ca77a5bf7366499f51c772
Financial Times: https://www.ft.com/content/ce9eb7e4-7989-45f6-a3b3-3cdec73a8540
Come on you can’t be this moronic.
It’s on the official trump account on his crap social media, you need BBC to show this link to you?
You really think people would go online and lie? Just because he posted it does not make it a real text. It does appear to be genuine though, but don’t just trust things cause someone said/posted it
Everyone can lie, even if Rutte said that the print is false he could also be lying(but they confirm that this is real). The point is, Trump actually post this shit, don’t need to be a fucking moron and say “Another .ml telling lies”
please stop with this ml bullshit
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@umbrella@lemmy.ml was talking about Maeruu complaining about Lemmy.ml as the bullshit, umbrella was not claiming Maeruu’s take was Marxist-Leninist and that is bad. Really not sure how you got that one confused.
Things I’d want to know before deciding for myself whether the screenshot montage is real, regardless of whether Trump shared it (he did):
- Have we seen other screenshots where Trump use enormous font sizes? Is that how bigger system text looks in this app? He’s not exactly youthful, so it’s no great surprise, but worth asking the question.
- Is it realistic that Trump or an aide would have screenshotted the entire message within two minutes of it being received?
- Does this messaging app routinely display the contact name offset and the profile image vertically cropped? What app is it?
Don’t know about any of it, but I’ve had Rutte as my prime minister.
This reads like the way he talks and thinks.
The biggest strength of Rutte is that he’s a chameleon,
so there’s no telling what he actually thinks,
but considering his party allegiance it’s pro-NATO through and through.
This is not real and does not belong in “World News”
It is posted by and primarily upvoted by .ml users.
Don’t fall for their bullshit.
Looking further into it you can see that almost every post in “World News” is from .ml users. They are very anti-western everything but post western “news” heavily in communities. I wonder why?
Furthermore they are brigading comments in this thread. Don’t believe me, just look at the upvote/downvote activity for comments here.
This is not real
Don’t fall for their bullshit.
It turns out that—as usual—it is real.
It is posted by and primarily upvoted by .ml users.
Looking further into it you can see that almost every post in “World News” is from .ml users.
!worldnews@lemmy.ml is a lemmy.ml community. Why wouldn’t we be posting and voting in our own community on our own instance?
They are very anti-western everything but post western “news” heavily in communities. I wonder why?
Furthermore they are brigading comments in this thread. Don’t believe me, just look at the upvote/downvote activity for comments here.
Yes, we’re “brigading” our own community on our own instance 🙄
On a related note, how is your vote manipulation report coming along[1][2]? Given your trivially disprovable accusations here, I predict it will be more of the same.
It will never not be funny that these people care so much about fake internet points, and think other people care about those internet points enough to ??? follow them around and downvote them?? Downvote lots of comments at once?? In a way that is somehow different from normal browsing behavior??
Like they’re not even tallied here like they are in the bad place, I genuinely don’t get it. Please drop the word bRiGaDiNg from your lexicon, I promise that absolutely nothing will change except you’ll be slightly less online and much better off for it. Sometimes you will get downvoted, and that’s okay. The world is not out to get you, even if it has a scary .ml next to its name and practices obscure forms of witchcraft like dialectical materialism.
This is Lemmy.ml’s World News community. Lemmy.ml users are not brigading their own World News community, lmao. The large proportion of Marxists on Lemmy.ml does lead to an anti-western bias, if you want a pro-western bias there are other World News communities like on Lemmy.world.
If you have proof that it’s fake I would like to see it, but this is a real truth social post from Trump even if he’s lying.
Proof that it’s fake?
How about you provide proof that it’s real? I still see no sources other than what .ml users say. Is that how y’all operate just parrot each other and blindly believe?
Here’s France 24 reporting on it. Trump posted the tweet, it looks like, whether he made it up or not isn’t yet known. Neither option would be unsurprising. Not sure what your bone to pick with Lemmy.ml is. Plus, you made the authoritative claim that it’s fake, if you suspect it’s fake then just say that, don’t pretend you have definitive proof if you don’t.
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114738606142462442
Good enough source for you?
Even better, thanks! Truth Social wasn’t working on my phone, lol
eating paint is bad for you
“How are you traveling to His Majesty’s dinner? Mind if I get a ride swingin from your nuts?”
By the way Rutte changed the wording in the agreement to be more vague as to what ‘allies’ means because Spain refused to agree to 5%.
obviously, I doubt Rutte was expecting this message to be shared. If he wasn’t a complete moron and actually doing this just to stroke his own ego, I’d actually give Donald props for leaking it, as Rutte kissing Donald’s ass makes him look terrible, and more broadly makes the European parts of NATO look terrible.
I imagine Rutte’s intent is to stroke Trump’s ego to try and keep him interested in NATO, but I feel like that’s a fool’s errand. Trump doesn’t give a shit about anyone else but himself. This new agreement, with NATO signatories needing to commit 5% of their GDP, feels like a grift for the benefit of U.S. defense contractors. The U.S. cannot be trusted to actually honor their agreements anymore, so why pay more into their alliance? Is Europe really that scared of further Russian aggression?
Europeans online think that Rutte is ‘masterfully manipulating’ Trump by talking to him like a 5 year old and are extremely proud of this.
3d chess move by Rutte, kissing Trump ass and conceding his demands, a masterful move indeed.
What else would or should Rutte have done?
His allegiance is with the liberal party,
without the progressive party and without the social liberal party.
There’s some people flocking to his party these days thinking that liberal party
must mean left-wing through US cultural osmosis, but they remain pro-atlanticist and right-wing.
Well Rutte’s job is basically to keep NATO together, can’t blame him for trying. Personally I would not be sad if NATO chucked the US and told them to pack their bases all around Europe and go home. But I understand Rutte’s position.
Rutte is trans-atlanticist. These people will do anything to keep the peace with the US.
They’re Joshua Wongers with diplomatic talent.I’d love it if that happened, but that would also mean the dissolution of NATO, so I don’t see why NATO would motion to kill itself voluntarily.
This new agreement, with NATO signatories needing to commit 5% of their GDP, feels like a grift for the benefit of U.S. defense contractors. The U.S. cannot be trusted to actually honor their agreements anymore, so why pay more into their alliance? Is Europe really that scared of further Russian aggression?
They’re massively investing in European defense industry, not just buying more from the US. They are scared of Russian aggression and they are scared the US will not honor NATO agreements which is why they’re committing so hard to defense spending. Also, I believe it’s 3.5% for military and 1.5% for infrastructure.
False. Europe is spending big money on American weapons. The independence story was only an excuse to get more money.
As for the Russia story, nice to see Red Scare works as good as in America when they dismantled their healthcare for the military industrial complex.
They are also spending big on domestic arms production. France will be a big winner out of this since they’ve long valued independent military arms production and the rest of Europe will want to buy French stuff (yes along with American stuff) while they get their arms production up and running. South Korea is also a big arms supplier internationally.
The reduction in US support for NATO is largely part of a pivot to focusing on Taiwan and China. The US military industry would love it if the US focused on both and kept cozy relations with europe. I’m sure they’re happy with the whole world increasing defense spending amid rising tensions, but they aren’t happy about the US scaring away customers. I hate how involved the US military is globally but acting like Trump is some mastermind of American imperialism is reductive and giving him too much credit. The thought that Europe shouldn’t be worried about Russia (the ones currently invading a European country) is bonkers.
Is Europe really that scared of further Russian aggression?
Western Europe is afraid of Russia gaining influence in regions and resource rich areas that they seeks to dominate.
Purely defensive pact btw
All in the interests of Europe btw
