You folks live in a parallel world and have no clue about German politics or how stuff in Germany work.
Anti-Germans are ultra rare nowadays and most Germans from the left parties support the existence and sovereignity of both a Palestinian state and Israel. Most Greens are anti-Netanyahu, just not anti-Israel as a state.
Pretty much the whole political range from the extreme Right up to and including the Greens (but not the Left party) normalized racial discrimination with their whole “unwavering support of the Jewish nation” (i.e. unlimited support entirely because of their race) whilst they mass murdered civilians because of their ethnicity (a crime so foul that the list of dead Palestinian babies 1 year old or younger for the first 6 months of the Genocide is 17 pages long).
They not just normalized in Germany the mindset of discriminating on the basis of race, but once the Genocide started they went all the way to unwaveringly supporting a modern variant of Nazism giving as reason for that that those doing it represented “the Jewish People”.
It’s absolutely natural that the Far Right nationalists would think that “well, if even mass murdering Palestinian babies is fine if the murderers are Jews, then surely it’s equally fair that those who are Germans should be able to do whatever one wants to non-Germans” (or in other words “if it’s fine for them, then it’s fine for us too”)
There really isn’t that much of an Ethical and Moral distance between “those of a specific race can mass murder babies of the ethnicity they deem ‘human animals’” (which is what almost the entirety of the German political class defended) and “our specific race can treat other races any way they see fit” (which is the AfD’s position) - in fact I would even go as far as saying that “merely” being anti-Immigration is Ethically and Morally a less monstrous position to hold than supporting mass murder of innocent civilians because they’re from a different ethnicity than a race you favor.
Basically people were born after WW2 who weren’t properly taught why Nazis need to be stomped down into the dirt and kept there where they belong.
This was an education problem, not a problem with people not giving enough stage time to literal Nazis who want to exterminate everyone who isn’t them.
We have to stomp them down again and make entertaining their invalid ideology illegal again.
I would say that the problem is a lot older, more fundamental and anchored on two issues:
- Somebody else got rid of the Nazis, not the German people, and all the subsequent learning from Nazism was the result of outside pressures and based on an outside way of thinking, rather than being the result of self-discovery and self-improvement.
- The “lessons” learned were structured in the way of thinking of the 1950s which was still very much normalized Racism, so instead of the lesson being the modern Humanist “This should never be allowed to happen to anybody”, it was instead the highly Race-specific formulation of “We (Germans) should never do this to Jews again”.
The result is that the mental architecture of seeing people as members or races and hence assumed to have a certain nature based purelly on their race (good, bad, trustworthy, untrustworthy, victims, aggressors, oppressors, oppressed and so on), that formed the foundation upon which Nazism was built, was never abandoned and instead only the list of “good” and “bad” races changed, which in the domain of Prejudice and Racism was but a tiny step away from Nazism.
If in the mind of most of a society, people’s worth and deserving of special treatment is determined by their race to such a point that, as we saw with the “unwavering support of the Jewish Nation” during them committing a Genocide, even extreme negative behaviour of people is acceptable if they are members of a race deemed “good”, then all the mental pathways to think and act exactly like that towards “our race” - the mindset of AfD - are in place and well travelled.
Nativist Racism in Germany is the harvest of a field well plowed and fertilized with Racist and Prejudiced practices (described as “positive” to make them sound like a good thing) for the last 6 or 7 decades. Worse, that well kept field was the very same were Nazism blossomed over a century ago.
German “center” was a pure advertisement for AfD. Even the supposed left parties were masisve genocide advocates.
This video is one of her mildest takes:
“Civilans lose their status if Hamas terrorists stay near them, and that’s the stand of Germany”
She calls the occupied resistance terrorists, and calls the genocidal colonizing aparthied their friends:
https://youtube.com/shorts/95buq0IF8tI
So ask Mrs. genocide lover, and baby-killing cheerleader Germany’s foreign minister Annalena Baerbock about how much joy it brings her to see civilians burn to death and children get ampuatated by German’s weapons. She and Olaf Scholtz and his wife and his whole government openly and repeatedly advocated, justified, and aided with billions in bombs for killing all civilians.
Duh! I’ve been saying this on here and getting called a Nazi as a result. First, censorsing & criminalizing free speech is fasscist behavior. But it is also causes those groups to grow.
If you support Nazis then you literally support a party that wants to exterminate everyone else.
Hate speech isn’t covered under any free speech laws i don’t think.
Free speech gave the USA Trump.
I rather like that in Germany it’s a crime to deny the Holocaust. The problem is that our politicians are too cowardly to stand up towards Israel and to stupid to realize the problem with the Holocaust isn’t that jews were the main target, but rather that it happened at all.
exactly, free speech fundamentalism just allows freedom to abuse anyone and lie about anything
what’s happening in germany is the same playbook as in the US. use wedge issues like immigration, palestine and economic hardship to split the left and support the far right in social media spam
at least in germany you can vote constructively for a variety of parties that can create a government that effectively excludes the far right
Free speech gave the USA Trump.
Not at all. The things that Trump says are acceptable to the ruling class of America. Even without free speech (which the US doesn’t actually have), Trump would never be the victim of censorship laws.
Are you talking about Germany’s ban on fascist symbols and Holocaust denial?
If so, calling that “fascist behavior” is the dumbest shit I’ve heard in a while. Seriously below “what happened to the tolerant left” level.
I believe he’s talking about Germany not allowing critique on war crimes and mass murder if perpetrated by Israel.
And that is not on a criminal level but instead on a political.
It is legally perfectly allowed to critique Israel. So the OP still would be wrong.
Actually are there are legal restrictions on critising Israel in Germany.
That’s wrong. You can criticise Israel all day long, but you may maneuver yourself into problems if you mix up the Jews (as in anti-semitic rhetoric) with the the state of Israel.
The article itself proves you wrong, but you already knew that
Really? I can’t remember that anybody got legally punished for criticizing Israel, but I might just not remember it. Can you provide sources for your claim?
You’re literally in the comment section for an article about it
No, you either didn’t read the article or didn’t understand it. The article doesn’t mention a single instance of what you claim.
The article is about political pressure, as I said, about accusing Israel critics of other crimes and thereby trying to shut them down. But criticizing Israel is not illegal. And that is the same as happened in USA, where protest where shut down and accused of other crimes to stop them.
My brother/sister/comrade in christ, read the article this comments section is centered around.
And that is not on a criminal level but instead on a political.
It is legally allowed to critique Israel.
No censorship of speech has always been liberal. /s Also its kidna funny how eastern european countries now have stronger foundations of liberal democracy than germany, since statements like “from the river to the sea” are not criminalized as antisemitic.
Yup
