Before opening the article:
“Well I eat meat so I don’t really have the moral high ground here.”
“Every year, to the horror of the rest of the world, hundreds of whales and dolphins are chased into bays on the Faroe Islands and massacred in barbaric ways with metal hooks, which are driven into the stranded mammals’ blowholes before their spines are cut,” she said in a statement shared with The Independent.
“The animals cry out in pain. Whole families are slaughtered, and some animals are seen swimming around in their family members’ blood for hours
Yeah…fuck those people. Some cultures are just worse than others.
Is this the place the documentary “The Cove” took place/was about?
I honestly hope it is because I’d really like to not believe that there’s more than one of these…
Yeah…fuck those people. Some cultures are just worse than others.
Factory farms are still way worse, because of the permanent confinement in cramped cages full of shit, the cruel treatment for their whole lives, and the insane scale. It’s like this event happening every second.
Just look at the Dominion documentary and compare it to this. We’re the worse culture.
Some cultures are just worse than others.
Hmm, do you think “good cultures” should interfere with “bad cultures” and stop them from their barbaric practices, teaching them the enlightened ways of the good cultures?
Not if the bad cultures are indigenous and have been doing it for long enough. Nothing wrong with hunting endangered species if your culture is endangered.
The primary species being hunted, pilot whales, according to the IUCN is least concern (the lowest rating) and they consider the hunts sustainable: https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/9250/50356171 The dolphin species aren’t endangered, either.
If you object to this on the basis that they’re intelligent that’s fine, but I also hope you don’t eat pork, since pigs are also highly intelligent (and for factory farmed, they lived and died in far worse conditions).
The Faroese are indigenous, have they been doing it long enough?
Agreed
In principle I’m not against eating meat. It’s what humans have done forever, it’s what all hunters animals have done for billions of years
If you’re going to eat animals, though, first make sure the animals have a nice life on green pastures after which it’s just lights out. Why the fuck do we torture these poor animals without limit before eating them? It’s fucked up.
Second: if you want to eat farm animals, that’s one thing. Eating wild animals from highly strained ecosystems is just plain stupid.
Just to be clear,
Why the fuck do we torture these poor animals without limit before eating them?
That’s factory farming, not traditional whale hunting.
Eating wild animals from highly strained ecosystems is just plain stupid.
They’ve done this for centuries, this is not what is straining the ecosystem.
I don’t think it’s ethical to eat meat, just wanted these things to be clear.
WTF why are there children watching this?
I guess the same reason why all our ancestors were present as kids. In my chilhood I was present when my family killed chickens and goats.
Because they’re going to be eating it later, and this is less fucked up than how factory farmed animals live and die. The whaling that occurs in the Faroe Islands is non commercial, unlike the whaling done by Japan, Norway, Iceland, and South Korea.
If you eat meat you’re just paying someone else to do the same thing out of your sight 🤷♂️ Especially for something like pork, which similarly involves killing a highly intelligent animal. I didn’t grow up whaling, but I did grow up with family members who hunted and fished, and I think it was good for me to see in real terms where meat comes from and participate in processing it.
We can just not do both
How about we just don’t murder any animal or human? The Faroese can easily get by without killing thousands of whales they just do it because they can
One shit thing doesn’t make other shit things less shittier.
No but if you feel angry at this animal cruelty you can use that to fuel your change away from the cruelty you inflict on animals yourself
You’re not going to like this but it’s okay to put more value on certain animals over others. Like, for instance, I value my cats more than any human stranger. If I had to choose who gets slaughtered, it’s going to be you not my cat. Just like I value my partner more than all of you combined.
So you’re oversimplifying this shit thinking you’re proving a point, but really you’re just assuming people won’t tell you the real truth.
People don’t value all animals the same. I feed my animals the factory scraps, too. 5000 chickens are worth less to me than one random cat let alone my own cat. That’s the way it works. So come up with a real argument.
You’re not going to like this but it’s okay for people to want to make a difference. Some people actually give a shit about not causing unnecessary suffering and you not giving a shit doesn’t mean that they aren’t justified in trying to improve animal welfare.
So you’re oversimplifying this shit thinking you’re proving a point, but really you’re just assuming people won’t tell you the real truth.
Thinking for anyone/anything other than the things that personally affect you or the arbitrary things you happen to care about is called basic human empathy. But apparently to some people that’s the fundamental weakness of western civilization.
I agree with you. I value a human over a chicken. I just value a chicken more than the slight difference between a chicken burger and a vegan burger.
Personally I find dolphins, whales (and also primates, corvids and parrots) more intelligent, sentient even.
That’s why I’m particularly furious about their murder.
That’s not incompatible with my statement
In my case it’s incompatible. I don’t feel the same about cattle, unfortunately. And I can’t force myself to feel it.
Have you watched any footage of how cows and pigs are killed? I used to hold your opinion but seeing them struggle for their life against all odds lit a flame in me.
Probably because it’s part of their culture. I personally don’t agree with it, whales and other sea life should be protected, but I understand that it’s important to include children in their culture. And also most of the world is very far removed from how meat gets to the table, people would probably be a bit more responsible about their consumption if they were involved in how the sausages get made.
This is just me questioning ‘culture’ : I saw a video of an Israeli child, not more than 7 years old in one of those chat platforms that matches people around the world for 5 minutes chat, and she was matched with an adult that greeted her and said he is Palestinian. The child immediately punched the camera. Is this culture? Is there a difference between the whale killing and this? I think maybe the concept of culture being this unchangeable thing that transcends humanity and empathy should be questioned, specially in how society is evolving ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Is this culture?
Yeah, unfortunately it is. But there’s a difference between traditions and ingrained cultural racism.
Is there a difference between the whale killing and this?
Is there a difference between continuation of traditional practices of food sourcing and culturally acceptable racism? Yes, definitely. Does that make culling whales morally acceptable? Of course not.
I think maybe the concept of culture being this unchangeable thing that transcends humanity and empathy
I never said that, though I can see how what I said could be perceived that way.
but I understand that it’s important to include children in their culture
in that culture?
Yes in that culture, preferably after stopping the cull.
Some communities survive an entire year on a single whale hunt. Look, I understand why you’re so incensed, it’s horrific. But it’s pretty privileged to judge other cultures by your personal standards and morals.
For what it’s worth, you seem to be completely ignoring the fact that I’ve been saying this whole time that it SHOULD BE STOPPED. But to say that without knowing if those whales may be the only main food source for an entire community is pretty ignorant.
Check yourself. You can be disgusted and angry and disappointed with this and still understand that it may be a requirement for the survival of these people.
it may be a requirement for the survival of these people.
It’s hard to believe in this, considering that it’s Faroe Islands (Denmark), not some primitive tribals which have no other means to get food.
Faroese cuisine is generally dominated by the use of animal products, as only about 2% of the 1,393 km2 of land on the islands is at all suitable for arable crops.[28] As a result, during the winter months, the Faroe Islanders traditionally eat mostly salted or dried food, including mutton, fish, seabirds and the meat and blubber from sea mammals
The really easy to find wiki article on the topic.
The distance from the Faroe Islands to Denmark is approximately 1,356 kilometers (about 842 miles).
So I imagine it is probably quite expensive to import food. They do, they import quite a lot but that’s not a solution. You’re being very ignorant…and frankly I’m done with this argument. Especially since I’ve been saying that I think it should be ended, and you’re very clearly just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Faroese cuisine is generally dominated by the use of animal products
Yeah. And that’s why they need to cull dolphins and whales once a year?
It sounds more like a tradition than necessity.
Armed with MY opinion, I can rule the world!
Well done you with the all seeing eye.
Let’s get Trump to invade the Faroes and install truth justice and the American way!
Get McDonalds established quickly so they do not need to cull.
I wonder if the islanders will be so exploited as American workers with minimal wage and the exploitative tipping culture?
Over to you All Seeing Eye!
Monstrous
Barbarians
You can’t call that hunting.
