The Israeli navy has carried out attacks on a power plant near the Yemeni capital Sanaa, according to Israeli media reports.
Houthi-affiliated Al Masirah TV reported on Saturday that the “aggression” damaged generators at the Hezyaz power plant, sparking a fire that was later contained. The country’s deputy prime minister confirmed emergency crews managed to prevent further damage. Residents in Sanaa also reported hearing at least two loud explosions.
The Israeli military claimed that the site was being used by Houthi fighters. But it did not present evidence to justify hitting a civilian power station, raising concerns that the strike may constitute a war crime.
Things are dire enough that I can’t even fathom what peace would look like, but I don’t believe that genocide can be an answer to a genocide.
I realise that this may seem like a naive view, but based on what I have learned from anti-zionist Israelis, I think that there are many Israelis who are, in a way, also victims of Zionism; fearful, traumatised citizens are easier to funnel into the Zionist cause, so Israelis are subject to pretty extreme propaganda from a young age.
We need to hold war criminals accountable for their crimes if we want things like human rights or international law to ever have meaning again. However, there are a great many people who haven’t committed any such crimes, yet hold abhorrent views such as actively being in favour of the ongoing genocide. I fear that eliminating all such people would only serve to fuel Zionism in the long term.
What is genocide?
No like… What us it and why us it bad?
Becsuse its the eradication of a culture. Zionists… There’s nothing there culturqlly but atrocities. You cant just take the guns-they’ll keep going with sharp sticks. You can’t just kill the ones that have already fone provable shit; they get the bloodlust in their mother’s milk-their nursery rhymes their schooling every experience. They’ll just keep killing.
Look, it sounds horrible, but my family were american slavers. After they lost that war, they still had slaves. They hid their stolen wealth. They got into government the moment reconstruction stopped, and they kept their slaves, kept their money, and, last i heard, were backing the american fascist movemejt, 150 years later in an unbroken line, with all their hearts and their deep wallets filled with slaver-money. They should have been exterminated. They weren’t, and we’re all suffering for it-all their fucking feiends were like that too.
Maybe there were other solutions. Maybe if each of them had been put in front of each slave they kidnapper, and each slave been told theyll get 5$ and no punishment if they kill this fucker, it ciule have worked. But more if them needed to die, and we still suffer for that failure.
And we saw the same shit in germany. We veat them in war, then let the same fuvkers keep running their government, invited them into ours. Every member of the nazi party, unless they could prove rhey were like an oskar schindler or member of the resistance, needed to die, because you see how that turned out.
Maybe there’s some way to rehabilitate them, but, im sorry, we can’t scale it like tgat, abd the vost yoletting them live while we try would be unfair to their future victims.
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My view is that genocide is not just the eradication of a culture — for instance, one of the widely accepted definitions of genocide includes the forced removal of people from an area, which isn’t necessarily the eradication of a culture. You raise an interesting question though, about why genocide is bad. Honestly, I can’t answer that question because much of my view here is based in the deep sense of moral wrongness I feel when I think about the blanket eradication of a people.
I suspect that the “blanket” part of things is what I most object to. There’s always going to be people who fall through the gaps, the question is who we’d rather fall through the gaps: would we rather have war criminals escape justice, or murder people who don’t deserve it. We get to decide which side of caution to err on, but the problem is that it’s not a 1:1 ratio.
To use an example from a completely different domain, in my country, there is a lot of harmful rhetoric around people who receive social security benefits, especially disability benefits. Even though benefit fraud is extremely rare, this rhetoric (and the policies that result from it) lead to extreme levels of bureaucracy to ensure that a handful of “benefit scroungers” who are not entitled don’t receive money, at the cost of huge numbers of vulnerable people who are entitled falling through the gaps. People have died because of this, and the number of people harmed is far higher than the reduction in benefit fraud (given that levels of that were already so low).
I get that when we’re talking about such egregiously awful acts that are happening today, it’s a completely different situation, but the blanket killing of people in the way you describe feels to me like an overly retributive approach that will not lead to lasting peace.
I understand what you are saying by highlighting past times where justice was not done, and I see how those past failures have continued to cause strife right through to the present day. I don’t know what would have been a more appropriate approach, but I agree that more needed to be done.
That being said, I can’t ever feel okay with the extreme approach you describe. I realise that this may well be a naive view, because I know that a big part of why I feel this way is because I need to believe that people can be redeemed. I’m not saying that everyone can be redeemed — “true justice” may well involve the execution of people who are responsible for these atrocities. However, for the large number of Zionists who merely hold reprehensible views because it has been taught to them from a young age, I need to believe that people like this can change — I cannot bear thinking about what that would mean if such change weren’t possible. Whether we call it genocide or not, I don’t want to live in a world where mass murder is okay.
To cap off this comment, I want to say that I really appreciate your comment. We disagree profoundly, and I suspect that neither of us will have changed our mind by the end of this. However, part of why I wrote this comment at all is because I felt like your comment was made in good faith and was earnestly engaging with my points. Even if we don’t see eye to eye on this topic, I appreciate that we’ve been able to have this discussion
I think even a solution where youre trying to redeem them would require a willingness to exterminate them completely. One idea i had was to require that each one have some number of Palestinians endorsing their continued existence, or they are killed, which would make their continued existence proof that they’re wrong. Or by making any crime by any palestinian survivor against any zionist not only legal but somehow rewarding, to the same end; making ig so their very existence is an undeniable proof that they were hoth monstrous or wrong. But this requires a willingness to completely devalue their lives, or it wouldnt work.