Exactly this. Phrases like “in my opinion” or “I think” are on some list of phrases to be avoided that everyone seemed to get at the same time like 15 years ago. Of course everything you say is your opinion or something you think, but you include those phrases to acknowledge that you are aware that you aren’t claiming to describe objective truth.
Anakin has grown up a Jedi. He is conflicted, because he knows that Obi-Wan believes the Jedi are good and that the Sith are evil. But Anakin has legitimate grievances, and he knows that his best friend and mentor cannot see beyond the Jedi bias. Anakin has been corrupted by the dark side, but the Jedi indoctrination is an equal and opposite delusion.
Of course, none of that complexity or pathos is explored in the prequels. The dialogue is shit because Lucas is bad at writing dialogue. But if you watch the Clone Wars and Rebels, those concepts are explored in much greater detail.
Bro, he genocided two separate groups of people just in the movies and the Jedi literally gain actionable spiritual guidance from the collective soul of all life.
They’re flawed and paying a price for complacency and distance from current events, not guilty of “indoctrination just as bad as the Sith from a certain point of view durr”
The Sith are the fucking Star Wars Nazis while the Jedi’s main moral flaw is killing Nazis on sight it’s not some subtle and nuanced situation.
Especially after it becomes canon that the Sith are effectively all the same person and its chosen successor.
If fucking Space Hitler and his favorite general/blood boy are immortal parasites on God Itself I’m sorry but you’re allowed to be biased against them.
Obi-Wan’s argument being rhetorically flawed doesn’t stop it from being factually correct.
I’m not saying Anakin is right. I’m saying he understands that Obi-Wan doesn’t have the same perspective. Like I said, none of it is explored in the movies, but Anakin grew up around Jedi like Dooku, Pong Krell, Mace Windu, and Bariss Offee. He saw how the Jedi betrayed his padawan Ashoka. He felt his mother’s suffering and was prohibited from saving her by the council. He was born a slave, rescued by a Jedi who cheated in a wager. Obi Wan possesses the physical high ground, but the moral high ground is much shakier from Anakin’s point of view durr.
Anakin fell to the dark side. He chose to be merciless and violent. He had no empathy for sand people or jedi children. He is not righteous. But he didn’t fall from high atop the mountain of morality. He was never all in on the Jedi code, the asceticism, the rejection of attachments and emotions, or the obedience to the wisdom of the council.
First off, I wanted to clarify that I meant I didn’t think you existed, not that I thought you’re liar. Also, WTF, are you asleep? Why don’t you do anything about the… gestures broadly at the world …?
The dialogue is shit because Lucas is bad at writing dialogue. But if you watch the Clone Wars and Rebels, those [this] conceptsare [is] explored in much greater detail.
I wasn’t sure why the meme didn’t work for me until I read this comment. Mean I get the idea but literary concepts always took another bit for me to understand. But reading this line I see the point of the line, it still says something the audience knows but reinforces what the character is thinking.
I know it’s obvious but figured I’d say it in case I did not understand becausepoints to a previous statement.
Even if I’ll never be able to create art I do enjoy the use of understanding books and movies, I believe wall type art is beyond a real analysis in my head though.
This is showing he’s also internally struggling to justify his position not just stating the obvious.
Exactly this. Phrases like “in my opinion” or “I think” are on some list of phrases to be avoided that everyone seemed to get at the same time like 15 years ago. Of course everything you say is your opinion or something you think, but you include those phrases to acknowledge that you are aware that you aren’t claiming to describe objective truth.
Anakin has grown up a Jedi. He is conflicted, because he knows that Obi-Wan believes the Jedi are good and that the Sith are evil. But Anakin has legitimate grievances, and he knows that his best friend and mentor cannot see beyond the Jedi bias. Anakin has been corrupted by the dark side, but the Jedi indoctrination is an equal and opposite delusion.
Of course, none of that complexity or pathos is explored in the prequels. The dialogue is shit because Lucas is bad at writing dialogue. But if you watch the Clone Wars and Rebels, those concepts are explored in much greater detail.
Bro, he genocided two separate groups of people just in the movies and the Jedi literally gain actionable spiritual guidance from the collective soul of all life.
They’re flawed and paying a price for complacency and distance from current events, not guilty of “indoctrination just as bad as the Sith from a certain point of view durr”
The Sith are the fucking Star Wars Nazis while the Jedi’s main moral flaw is killing Nazis on sight it’s not some subtle and nuanced situation.
Especially after it becomes canon that the Sith are effectively all the same person and its chosen successor.
If fucking Space Hitler and his favorite general/blood boy are immortal parasites on God Itself I’m sorry but you’re allowed to be biased against them.
Obi-Wan’s argument being rhetorically flawed doesn’t stop it from being factually correct.
I’m not saying Anakin is right. I’m saying he understands that Obi-Wan doesn’t have the same perspective. Like I said, none of it is explored in the movies, but Anakin grew up around Jedi like Dooku, Pong Krell, Mace Windu, and Bariss Offee. He saw how the Jedi betrayed his padawan Ashoka. He felt his mother’s suffering and was prohibited from saving her by the council. He was born a slave, rescued by a Jedi who cheated in a wager. Obi Wan possesses the physical high ground, but the moral high ground is much shakier from Anakin’s point of view durr.
Anakin fell to the dark side. He chose to be merciless and violent. He had no empathy for sand people or jedi children. He is not righteous. But he didn’t fall from high atop the mountain of morality. He was never all in on the Jedi code, the asceticism, the rejection of attachments and emotions, or the obedience to the wisdom of the council.
God you write so well
That’s God? I have so many questions!
I have answers. Fire away.
First off, I wanted to clarify that I meant I didn’t think you existed, not that I thought you’re liar. Also, WTF, are you asleep? Why don’t you do anything about the… gestures broadly at the world …?
FTFY
Those concepts (plural) are Anakin’s conflictions, his grievances, his corruption, and the Jedi bias/indoctrination.
That concept singular being Lucas being shit at dialogue
Lucas didn’t write for Clone Wars and Rebels. You’re not exploring his bad dialogue if you’re watching other people’s dialogue.
I wasn’t sure why the meme didn’t work for me until I read this comment. Mean I get the idea but literary concepts always took another bit for me to understand. But reading this line I see the point of the line, it still says something the audience knows but reinforces what the character is thinking.
I know it’s obvious but figured I’d say it in case I did not understand becausepoints to a previous statement.
Even if I’ll never be able to create art I do enjoy the use of understanding books and movies, I believe wall type art is beyond a real analysis in my head though.