I keep hearing the term in political discourse, and rather than googling it, I’m asking the people who know better than Google.

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    Again: I asked for you to quote them saying they were defederating because hexbear users have stances common to communists.

    What you gave me was your interpretation of why they bolded some text.

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      They listed stances common to communists as an example of what to defederate from. Tell me, why would they bold it? As Edie said, you’re just sealioning.

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        They listed stances common to communists

        That’s probably true – quite a few things in those quotes

        as an example of what to defederate from

        This is the lie.

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          Why did they bold the line about the left wanting to dismantle the IMF, NATO, etc? It certainly wasn’t because it was telling users to wage ideological war, it was to highlight unacceptable ideology.

          Stop sealioning.

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            They actually didn’t bold it lol. But let’s assume you meant “include”.

            Why did hexbear include it in their announcement? Why highlight an ideology they want to target while specifically telling their userbase, who they acknowledge are trolls, to try and play nice during the propaganda war on this new (to them) instance? Could it be that they are manufacturing an archetype of the average Lemmy World user?

            Why would Lemmy World admins want to sign up for that? And why do you keep pretending that they just wanted to federate and be chill?

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              They did bold it:

              It isn’t bolded in the original text:

              Either you’re lying, like you keep accusing everyone else, or you don’t care enough about the truth to check. In both cases it’s clear you’re sealioning.

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                the line about the left wanting to dismantle the IMF, NATO, etc

                Literally nothing in that line is bolded. Maybe get your eyes checked?

                Or I’m right, and you do lie about things you post for some reason.

                In both cases it’s clear you’re sealioning

                I thought you might not know what that meant, but now I know you don’t.

                Notice you have nothing to say about the actual meat of what I said though. And we all know why that is.

                • It is in the Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished” is bolded. That is the line Cowbee is referring to, “these organizations” are “organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank” as written in the previous bullet point.

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                  I showed you images of them bolding the part about the left’s interests in their quotations. You can drop the act, I posted photo evidence of it.

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                    Let’s try this again:

                    Why did hexbear include it in their announcement? Why highlight an ideology they want to target while specifically telling their userbase, who they acknowledge are trolls, to try and play nice during the propaganda war on this new (to them) instance? Could it be that they are manufacturing an archetype of the average Lemmy World user?

                    Why would Lemmy World admins want to sign up for that? And why do you keep pretending that they just wanted to federate and be chill?

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        Hexbear admins: "We plan to federate with Lemmy World for the express purpose of dismantling their western propaganda. We intend to continue our war against Liberals in the fediverse while we’re there. But no brigades. We totally promise.

        Despite openly acknowledging that our typical behavior is to ‘dunk on dirtbag libs’, and to do hilarious trolling, we will try to engage using informed rhetoric and sources."

        Lemmy World admins: “That sounds terrible. No thanks.”

        Cowbee: “Lemmy World admins secretly hate Communists. Look at what they bolded!”

        Am I missing anything? I can source anything in there you think isn’t true.

        Accuses me of sealioning while giving cover to a blatant liar. Good stuff.

        • The rhetoric and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to “dismantle western propaganda” and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.” It’s to push their beliefs and ideology.

          This is quoting the anti-imperialist parts, not the part where they tell them not to brigade or other such things, and saying that those mean hexbear has no intention of respecting the rules!

          And if they really had a problem with this, then people that did the same on their instance would not be as Cowbee has pointed out:

          Lemmy.world does not care about “idelogical warfare” itself as bad, as there are constant drama farms and prominent users and comms on Lemmy.world that directly state their intent is to push anti-communist views, yet these users are protected, made moderators, etc. Logically, therefore, it’s the views that matter, not the idea of “protecting against brigading.”

          The problem is the beliefs and ideology (again why are they highlighting the anti-imperialist, i.e. communist, parts?) not the “pushing” part

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            If they really had a problem with this, then people that did the same on their instance would not be as Cowbee has pointed out

            But neither of you have sourced it. You just feel like it’s true.