Yemen is one of the seven countries to apply a death penalty for consensual sexual acts between adults of the same sex.
It’s good they’re banding together to protect muslims against the threat of Israel (their words) but they’re still a religious authoritarian nightmare.
See how absurd that a country that has real human right abuses is doing more against a genocide than other countries that claim to care about human right abuses while bscking Israel.
When the west is going act like a real model and isolate Israel ?
Yemen is peak anti-colonialism. Which unfortunately comes with religious conservatism as a reaction against colonial forces. Fanon discusses this at length in the context of Algeria.
They’re both evil - evil people can do good things, but doing those good things doesn’t negate the evil things. Take the US: it’s done undeniably evil things, but at the same time it’s (by several measures) the #1 contributor of humanitarian aid to the world. So does this mean we be praising the US since by that metric it’s undeniably the global paragon of humanitarian charity? Or should we maybe be glad that the US is doing something not awful, while not accepting it as justification to dismiss the evil it also does?
The aid the US gives out is usually just given to compradors as bribes, it isn’t done with humanitarian intent but to keep the world under the thumb of imperialism.
Okay: while I’m not arguing that it definitely happens, or arguing that if altruism can even exist, I’d like to point out that both those articles are written to present the perspective about why it happens, they do not present evidence for either how it happens nor it’s effectiveness in furthering imperialist goals.
It’s a bit of a gotcha question on my part, I admit - the evidence you would need to present to conclusively prove those claims doesn’t exist (or, rather, it does exist and it’s not reported). There’s many reasons for that, the first ones people arrive at being usually “that would prove it and the US obviously doesn’t want it proved” (legit) and “reporting which NGOs have cash on hand would make them targets” (also legit but a lot more complicated, leat of all because imperialist countries generally use the turmoil/“lawlessness” that created the problem itself as a tool of imperialism).
Sure, and I quite agree that it happens - the only thing I’ve claimed is that the claim you’ve made (that it’s “usually just given to compradors as bribes”) is unsubstantiatable. You can’t prove it because nobody can, and what you provided me to support that claim is not actually evidence. It’s theory, not analysis, but it’s still important to be discussed.
Regardless of that though, I think you’ve misunderstood my initial point - That eventually there are sacks of grain with comedy US flags printed on them given out and that the existence of those grain sacks, or how they are used, does nothing to negate the myraid of crimes the US has committed. Much as how the Yemeni government joining a military coalition with a noble goal does nothing to erase the three decades of human rights abuses that has followed Yemeni unification.
If we are to hold ourselves over our enemies as morally superior, we have to hold ourselves to the same standards we condemn them with. Otherwise, we’re just the hypocrites so many people accuse us of being.
Do you mean that if we added the values given for two distinct entities together, they would be larger than that of a single entity? That’s… sure, I’m not going to say that addition doesn’t exist. But if you used that when compiling the above statistics, you wouldn’t be comparing donations from distinct groups, and the meaning of the above statistic would be fundamentally changed.
It would be the contributions of all member states to the EC and then germany’s contributions added together, vs a single country (the US).
Which has nothing to do with Yemen’s human rights record, or the point I was making with that statistic, and is an intellectually valueless enterprise within that context.
The mass murder of gay people in Gaza by the West. Statistics estimate 5-10% of people are gay so that would be at least 3000-6000 gay people mass murdered by the West in Gaza. Assuming a low estimate of 3000:
Is 13 gay people killed is worse than 3000?
Of course not but you’re fine with the 3000, because the 3000 were gay people executed and blown up by the West, and not by brown people. And when white Ubermenschen with superior technological airplanes and snipers mass murder gay brown people it doesn’t count for you because they are brown Untermenschen and should know their place.
And not just gay people. Women, children, men, the West is just killing everyone. 60.000 at the very least already.
And who is defending those 3000 gay people killed by the West? That’s right, Yemen.
The existence of queer people in the general population isn’t in question, though. How that statistic is relevant to Yemen’s human right’s record is what we’re confused about.
Supporting and applauding Yemen’s blocade against Israel doesn’t mean one also supports every single one of their other actions, priorities need to be decided in times like these, same way it’s stupid to condemn Hamas when it’s literally resisting genocide.
They are Muslims that practice Sharia law. What do you expect from them exactly? To accept something they believe it’s a sin? 😁 Allah is first to them. Most you can expect from them is that they won’t care about homosexuality outside of their country. Which they don’t give a fuck. Also, what you said sounds more like Saudi Arabia and other gulf monarchies. They are fucked up salafi scum, unlike Yemenis and Palestinians.
I can tell from your reply that you don’t understand Islam and Yemeni and/or Palestinian culture. And calling me an islamophobe is such a liberal thing to say, haha. I expect people to respect other cultures even if they don’t agree with them. I don’t see the point of making Muslims accept homosexuality when it’s a sin to them and that’s what Allah himself said in Quran. I see that you really don’t understand that Quran is a fucking law to Muslims. The best they can and will do is ignore the haram of the West and be very strict about it in their own countries. Our mutual goal is defeating the imperialism, but there will always, ALWAYS be a wall between us and that’s their religion and our secularism.
that you don’t understand Islam and Yemeni and/or Palestinian culture
I lived in palestine for years and regularly attend my local mosque, and although I am not myself muslim, nobody has yet seemed to reject what I have to say on the basis of not being suitably informed on the subject. But hey, maybe your standards are different.
I don’t see the point of making Muslims accept homosexuality
“Don’t kill queer people” is not the same thing as “accept queer people”. If “It’s okay for them to kill people because their laws say it is” were valid, then there would be no issue with Israel’s genocide or US imperialism. All the major, objectionable acts taken by both governments have been legal under their laws, yet they are both reprehensible to the point of justifying military intervention.
Yemen can do bad things, and we can hold them to account for those bad things. Just because they follow their interpretations of the lessons of the recitation does not excuse that those things are reprehensible.
Then I really don’t understand why it’s so hard for you to understand that those people are very faithful to god’s word and that sharia law has all logic to them. My guess is that they will change their views with time because they witnessed that the gay community stood with them as the oppressed people themselves and that they won’t have death penalties for queer people, more like give them an opportunity to move out from the country. I don’t see how Islam can change in that regard, since Muslims truly believe that Quran is god’s literal word that’s been unchanged for 1300 years.
Then I really don’t understand why it’s so hard for you to understand that those people are very faithful to god’s word and that sharia law has all logic to them.
I’m sorry, that’s not at all what I was trying to say. I understand the culture that this situation exists within, but while I understand how it happened, I do not think it is good that it has happened, or that we should respect that they kill people just because of the strength of their beliefs.
I don’t see how Islam can change in that regard
I know many queer muslims, and while I do not see a path forward for implementing queer rights in most muslim countries right now, the existence of so many different muslim groups should show that the quran is not a true monolith - this gives me hope that one day, there really can be peace.
They are Zionists that practice ethnic cleansing. What do you expect from them exactly? To accept someone they believe to be subhuman? 😁 Colonialism is first to them. Most you can expect from them is that they won’t care about Palestinians outside of their country…
Uh…
It’s good they’re banding together to protect muslims against the threat of Israel (their words) but they’re still a religious authoritarian nightmare.
See how absurd that a country that has real human right abuses is doing more against a genocide than other countries that claim to care about human right abuses while bscking Israel.
When the west is going act like a real model and isolate Israel ?
Yemen is peak anti-colonialism. Which unfortunately comes with religious conservatism as a reaction against colonial forces. Fanon discusses this at length in the context of Algeria.
Bingo.
Let me check my evil meter to find out if homophobia is worse than literal genocide against brown Untermenschen to create an ethnostate
Calling death penalty for gay sex just homophobia seems like it’s downplaying it a bit lol
They’re both evil - evil people can do good things, but doing those good things doesn’t negate the evil things. Take the US: it’s done undeniably evil things, but at the same time it’s (by several measures) the #1 contributor of humanitarian aid to the world. So does this mean we be praising the US since by that metric it’s undeniably the global paragon of humanitarian charity? Or should we maybe be glad that the US is doing something not awful, while not accepting it as justification to dismiss the evil it also does?
The aid the US gives out is usually just given to compradors as bribes, it isn’t done with humanitarian intent but to keep the world under the thumb of imperialism.
Okay. Do you have any evidence to support that claim?
Here’s an article from Jacobin, and here’s an article from The Nation. If you want a deep-dive on how the US Empire functions, Super-Imperialism by Michael Hudson is a good read.
Why would the US Empire give so much aid? To further its imperialist ambitions by solidifying a class of compradors and puppet states.
Cowbee the GOAT back at it again
🫡 thanks comrade!
Okay: while I’m not arguing that it definitely happens, or arguing that if altruism can even exist, I’d like to point out that both those articles are written to present the perspective about why it happens, they do not present evidence for either how it happens nor it’s effectiveness in furthering imperialist goals.
It’s a bit of a gotcha question on my part, I admit - the evidence you would need to present to conclusively prove those claims doesn’t exist (or, rather, it does exist and it’s not reported). There’s many reasons for that, the first ones people arrive at being usually “that would prove it and the US obviously doesn’t want it proved” (legit) and “reporting which NGOs have cash on hand would make them targets” (also legit but a lot more complicated, leat of all because imperialist countries generally use the turmoil/“lawlessness” that created the problem itself as a tool of imperialism).
You can read the book I linked if you want more depth than internet articles can provide. This is a well-documented process.
Sure, and I quite agree that it happens - the only thing I’ve claimed is that the claim you’ve made (that it’s “usually just given to compradors as bribes”) is unsubstantiatable. You can’t prove it because nobody can, and what you provided me to support that claim is not actually evidence. It’s theory, not analysis, but it’s still important to be discussed.
Regardless of that though, I think you’ve misunderstood my initial point - That eventually there are sacks of grain with comedy US flags printed on them given out and that the existence of those grain sacks, or how they are used, does nothing to negate the myraid of crimes the US has committed. Much as how the Yemeni government joining a military coalition with a noble goal does nothing to erase the three decades of human rights abuses that has followed Yemeni unification.
If we are to hold ourselves over our enemies as morally superior, we have to hold ourselves to the same standards we condemn them with. Otherwise, we’re just the hypocrites so many people accuse us of being.
So the USA and it’s allies create chaos then act like the saviors and you expect us to say thank you the United Snakes?
That’s the exact opposite of the point I was making.
Those people are suffering because of the US. If not for the US they wouldn’t even need aid.
This is soft power. The US demands things in return for that “aid”. It’s not aid whatsoever.
Germany lies within the EU so if you add 2 and 3 your argument falls apart.
I’m sorry, I’m really not sure what this means. What does germany have to do with this?
The top donor thing you talked about…
Do you mean that if we added the values given for two distinct entities together, they would be larger than that of a single entity? That’s… sure, I’m not going to say that addition doesn’t exist. But if you used that when compiling the above statistics, you wouldn’t be comparing donations from distinct groups, and the meaning of the above statistic would be fundamentally changed.
It would be the contributions of all member states to the EC and then germany’s contributions added together, vs a single country (the US).
Which has nothing to do with Yemen’s human rights record, or the point I was making with that statistic, and is an intellectually valueless enterprise within that context.
The US gives more than 3x as much money to bomb gay people in Gaza as the total they give to “aid”.
Which was a central concept of my point, yes exactly.
Nuance really is dead, huh?
You sure are nuancing away all the gay people in Gaza massacred by the West.
Literally what the fuck are you talking about? Jesus Christ way to prove the point.
The mass murder of gay people in Gaza by the West. Statistics estimate 5-10% of people are gay so that would be at least 3000-6000 gay people mass murdered by the West in Gaza. Assuming a low estimate of 3000:
Is 13 gay people killed is worse than 3000?
Of course not but you’re fine with the 3000, because the 3000 were gay people executed and blown up by the West, and not by brown people. And when white Ubermenschen with superior technological airplanes and snipers mass murder gay brown people it doesn’t count for you because they are brown Untermenschen and should know their place.
And not just gay people. Women, children, men, the West is just killing everyone. 60.000 at the very least already.
And who is defending those 3000 gay people killed by the West? That’s right, Yemen.
The existence of queer people in the general population isn’t in question, though. How that statistic is relevant to Yemen’s human right’s record is what we’re confused about.
They are fighting the worlds largest armies in order to stop genocide.
Sure, and that’s a good thing for them to be doing. What does that have to do with their human right’s record?
Supporting and applauding Yemen’s blocade against Israel doesn’t mean one also supports every single one of their other actions, priorities need to be decided in times like these, same way it’s stupid to condemn Hamas when it’s literally resisting genocide.
The “official” Yemenite government is the saudi puppet one. This guy is from the based houthi ones.
Is the Houthi government better on gay rights?
They are Muslims that practice Sharia law. What do you expect from them exactly? To accept something they believe it’s a sin? 😁 Allah is first to them. Most you can expect from them is that they won’t care about homosexuality outside of their country. Which they don’t give a fuck. Also, what you said sounds more like Saudi Arabia and other gulf monarchies. They are fucked up salafi scum, unlike Yemenis and Palestinians.
Are you seriously saying we can’t expect them to do better… because they’re muslim? That is some pretty backhanded islamophobia.
I can tell from your reply that you don’t understand Islam and Yemeni and/or Palestinian culture. And calling me an islamophobe is such a liberal thing to say, haha. I expect people to respect other cultures even if they don’t agree with them. I don’t see the point of making Muslims accept homosexuality when it’s a sin to them and that’s what Allah himself said in Quran. I see that you really don’t understand that Quran is a fucking law to Muslims. The best they can and will do is ignore the haram of the West and be very strict about it in their own countries. Our mutual goal is defeating the imperialism, but there will always, ALWAYS be a wall between us and that’s their religion and our secularism.
I lived in palestine for years and regularly attend my local mosque, and although I am not myself muslim, nobody has yet seemed to reject what I have to say on the basis of not being suitably informed on the subject. But hey, maybe your standards are different.
“Don’t kill queer people” is not the same thing as “accept queer people”. If “It’s okay for them to kill people because their laws say it is” were valid, then there would be no issue with Israel’s genocide or US imperialism. All the major, objectionable acts taken by both governments have been legal under their laws, yet they are both reprehensible to the point of justifying military intervention.
Yemen can do bad things, and we can hold them to account for those bad things. Just because they follow their interpretations of the lessons of the recitation does not excuse that those things are reprehensible.
Then I really don’t understand why it’s so hard for you to understand that those people are very faithful to god’s word and that sharia law has all logic to them. My guess is that they will change their views with time because they witnessed that the gay community stood with them as the oppressed people themselves and that they won’t have death penalties for queer people, more like give them an opportunity to move out from the country. I don’t see how Islam can change in that regard, since Muslims truly believe that Quran is god’s literal word that’s been unchanged for 1300 years.
I’m sorry, that’s not at all what I was trying to say. I understand the culture that this situation exists within, but while I understand how it happened, I do not think it is good that it has happened, or that we should respect that they kill people just because of the strength of their beliefs.
I know many queer muslims, and while I do not see a path forward for implementing queer rights in most muslim countries right now, the existence of so many different muslim groups should show that the quran is not a true monolith - this gives me hope that one day, there really can be peace.
They are Zionists that practice ethnic cleansing. What do you expect from them exactly? To accept someone they believe to be subhuman? 😁 Colonialism is first to them. Most you can expect from them is that they won’t care about Palestinians outside of their country…