• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    Russia is capitalist, but doesn’t have the immense imperialist infrastructure to plunder the world that the west has. China isn’t imperialist, nor is BRI. China doesn’t loot and plunder the global south like the west does, there’s mutual development.

    When you say “the people wanted X,” and I showed how that was not at all consistent, you then try to minimize that there was not a consensus at all as I pointed out.

    Russia is indeed not communist, nor is Ukraine, but the western imperialists provoked the war and are carving up Ukraine for it. I don’t believe everything Russia says, and I don’t believe everything Ukraine says. I even gave you a mountain of western sources backing up my points.

    Palestine isn’t communist but I support them too. Me being a communist helps me analyze why this conflict is happening in the first place without just reducing everything to a battle of good vs evil like right-wingers do. Again, as I showed, my analysis is the most common communist analysis, you dehumanizing me and calling me a bot or a shill just because you can’t actually accept that communists disagree with your pro-western, pro-NATO viewpoint is absurd.

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      7 hours ago

      I’m sorry for dehumanising you.

      There is strong argument though that china is steadfast in becoming imperialist though, and Russia already is wether you like to believe it or not. The very definition of imperialism:

      a policy of extending a country’s power and influence through colonisation, use of military force, or other means.

      The chinese and russian spheres are immense. China owns the planet practically through their manufacturing exports, everyone relies on them. They have bought up many companies and land in every nation. They are a monopoly in many fields.

      Can you explain how the dreaded western imperialists are carving up Ukraine? When Russia is literally carving it up? First Crimea and now you say they want the 4 Oblasts. Taking.

      What are your thoughts on Putin’s remarks of “all of Ukraine is ours” and that he sees them as “one people” (i.e not ukranian) and the firm belief of an old russian adage of wherever a russian soldier boot steps is russian soil.

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        There isn’t a strong argument that China is “steadfast in becoming imperialist.” There’s projection from western countries that have imperialized and colonized the global south for centuries. The liberal, western definition of imperialism you give is meant to makw any influence seem to be imperialism, it’s vibes-based. A much better definition is one of extraction via export of capital, ie outsourcing and using millitary domination to force austerity on the global south (exactly the role of the IMF).

        China and Russia are not imperialist by this definition, one that is materialist, and accepted by the majority of the world and not just the west.

        The west provoked the war with Russia, sabotaged peace talks, and give aid in exchange for steep loans and rare earths. They are forcing Ukraine into an unwinnable war so that they can fleece Ukraine for everything.

        As for Putin, generally the people and land in Eastern Ukraine are Russian, that’s why the divide exists. Western Ukraine is Ukrainian. Putin’s words often get morphed through a game of telephone, exaggerated, or taken out of context. He’s certainly no saint, but he’s also not Hitler 2 like liberals claim.