• huppakee@piefed.social
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    19 hours ago

    Americans will do good to learn from the black panthers. Armed men escorting ICE, protecting gatherings like protests and creating alternative power structures so they don’t depend on the government as much as possible.

    This might work better, but probably only as long as the group of armed men is equal in size as the group of ICE agents. Autocrats don’t like their power limited, they might want to crush these protectors hard.

    I don’t want to curb your enthusiasm, because not resisting will not bring you anything either; but if you look at a place like Hong Kong, Russia or recently Iran, it becomes obvious the people in power tend to be very willing to pay a high price to stay in power.

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      19 hours ago

      Of course they don’t, the hope here is that fascists are cowards and they will just leave ICE when they know they can get shot.

      Going to war and harassing civilians are very different things.

      because not resisting will not bring you anything either

      Exactly, hopefully with organisation the American people can change the game entirely, but unfortunately I think it will get worse before it gets better.

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        18 hours ago

        I think it will get worse before it gets better.

        Yea so do i.

        the hope here is that fascists are cowards and they will just leave ICE when they know they can get shot.

        If that turns out true that’d be great, but i don’t expect it will unfortunately. I don’t mean to insult you, but i consider that quite a naive pov.

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          18 hours ago

          If that turns out true that’d be great, but i don’t expect it will unfortunately.

          The idea is not mine, during WW2 the Nazi cowered several times when the tide was not in their favour. Including abandoning Auschwitz against orders when the red army approached.

          The same can be seen with bullies. When you push back, they give quite easily.

          Of course these are not solid evidence, but they helps me sleep at night 😅

          Francly I think it doesn’t matter, cowards or not they must be resisted if we want to maintain freedom. I am not American so I am not involved in this particular fight, but there are plenty of fascists that would do the same in Europe given the opportunity.