I know exactly how to solve this “problem” … Convert the golf courses into bike tracks.
Australia, a prison state created for inmates, and perpetuated as such by their descendants. As a foreigner looking in, I think that Aussies would be best served by ditching the colonial prison mindset. You and the kids are allowed to have fun, if you ignore the specter of the Crown that created your nation.
…TLDR;
“Why aren’t the kids going outside anymore?” “Why are there kids outside?!”
Let teens exist in public spaces for fuck’s sake.
I dunno, can’t parents just keep their kids in a box till they’re 18 and can become productive, compliant wage slaves, like everyone else.
/s
I met one of these teens on a train he showed me a few news clips he was in with like 100 other teens on ebikes and scooters lol
Maybe ban Australia from having people. Problem solved
There’s a ‘fuck off were full’ movement but it’s not quite what you would hope.
Yeah, I was going to say that the problem actually appears to be children.
The answer is simple: ban teens
That’s pretty much it. Ban them from congregating in parking lots. Ban them from malls. But if your kid has friends over and one sneaks beer and has a wreck, you’re getting sued. But don’t discipline your kids or that’s abuse. Also, if you kid has a vape at school, they are getting a criminal charge. Whatever you do, don’t allow kids to exist, especially with other kids outside of your house, but also, don’t let them be entertained when they’re bored either.
My point is, maybe it’s all too complicated and there should be a different approach.
Maybe if we started treating people as human beings regardless of age? Or is that too radical?
if you ban them from dancing, there are going to be a lot of rebellious movies that get made.
To quote somebody famous: “Teenagers scare the living shit out of me”
if you don’t institute battle royal, you’ll pretty soon end up with mad max.
all yall folk running hamburger software: 25kph is around 15mph and change. 4 minute miles. Really fast sprints.
and 25km/h isn’t super fast on a bike either, at least not for someone in reasonably ok shape and a bike that’s somewhat configured for cycling on roads.
I could go for a burg about now
we got this great burg place at the other The City. they have a vegan The Fryer for their fries so i can actually eat the fries. fuckin good fries, fuckin good beer (i wouldn’t know, i don’t know beer, but my buddies say it’s fuckin good) fuckin good burgs. I gotta go back. Unfortunately we lost out on the raffle for Banana League tickets so we will just have to go to a regular baseball game like chumps.
Just gotta keep making the world as hostile as possible to teenagers.
Because the school to prison pipeline can only do so much
Wrong country mate.
Here’s it’s school to tradie/lifelong indebted homeowner.
This is such a gross oversimplification, it’s insane. They could also join the military.
Prison and military are US things. The bloke up above got it…tradie, FIFO and indebted to a home loan.
Hey, a couple might be really good at football.
“Get off your phones and meet people your age in real life!” “Wait not like that!”
Feels like kids can’t win these days.
Teens especially, since that law was catered more towards children. These days, teens are being disregarded and grouped in with children, even if they are vastly different.
They can’t because people are irrational and stupid with regards to protecting children.
Can’t wait for the e-bike gang wars of '26.
Waaaaaarriors! Come out to playay!
Should maybe be the Toecutter in Oz.
How do you think they arranged the meet ?
Just wait until all those teen grow up and figure out that old farts on social media are responsible.
Yeah, they can wipe thier own ass when they are in a care home!
“We really recognise the tremendous opportunity that ebikes can offer for getting anyone, including younger people, from A to B, independently,” McLean said. “[It] is a really, really positive thing that connects them to education, to work, to social things and communities as well.
“There’s lots of benefits that go along with them, but when we have really high powered ebikes and people driving them dangerously and without helmets, then they certainly pose a significant risk.”
Seems like a pretty balanced take honestly.
If the media won’t generate the click bait lemmy’s demand, they’ll create it themselves.
If it goes faster than 28 mph, has a motor more powerful than 1000w, or lacks usable pedals, it’s not an e-bike at all. People riding these things get people who ride actual electric bicycles fucked over though, which is unfortunate because electric assisted bicycles open up a lot of opportunities for people who are elderly or have other physical disabilities.
I am all for making e-moto and e-bikes legally distinct but punishing cyclists because of e-moto bullshit is a stupid decision. Also, parents who buy their kids motorcycles with no training, safety gear, or evaluation of their child’s judgement should be held accountable instead of the people who are just trying to get to work on an e-bike.
Yeah I completely agree. This exact issue kind of triggers me, and I did draft a longer diatribe complaining about exactly this, which I didn’t post.
I have an assortment of bikes including e-bikes, all of which I love equally. They’re truly amazing machines.
If you purchase a $200 k-mart commuter, and a $400 wheel hub motor and battery from temu, then perch a 12 year old precariously in the saddle that’s not an e-bike it’s an unregistered unregulated electric motorbike. This type of set up can easily achieve 50km/h with the majority more like 60km/h and some exceeding 80km/h.
The bikes just aren’t built for this kind of stress, and the people riding them don’t have a reasonable understanding of the risks. They scream around on bike paths weaving around kids and babies in strollers.
The current rules here in west aus (as I understand them) merely allow pedal assist up to 25 km/h. Critically, that means the bike can allow you to switch between modes providing more or less assistance, but no throttle. Additionally a lot of the temu bikes require you to move the pedals but do not require you to provide any effort - the pedals moving is more like a switch that allows the motor to engage.
The basic problem is that existing legislation just isn’t sufficient. Guilting parents isn’t enough. There needs to be better laws, and they need to be actively policed.
you expect other people commenting to actually read the article?
In my community a couple of years ago some middle aged guy assaulted a teen who was riding his Surron (non peddle ebike/motorcycle) in the park. Was he speeding? Probably, but that doesn’t excuse what that twat did. For the most part kids on these types of bikes aren’t the problem.
Our real problem has been pre teens on 110cc dirt bikes. They ride in groups and have been literally terrorizing people. I talked to one lady who had to put her horse down when they scared it and caused it to break a leg. Then they laughed at her and rode off. The police can’t catch them, though they’ve tried, but not that hard since they could actually do some simple detective work if they wanted to
We had the same. But the child on the bike died from there injuries. The bike went missing. so we don’t know the condition of the bike. No one talked to the “filth” cus snitches get stitches and all that. You would think the community would learn and ban it internally however there is still mini dirt bikes on the green where it happend and it’s As if it never happend.
Let me rephrase: Australians concerned about children on vehicles that can go 25mph with no requirement for a license or training.
Wrong.
we have two issues
One is crusted old cumstains losing their shit about the presence of Visible Teenagers after the social media ban. They can go fuck 'emselves
The other issue is teens on illegal wattage ebikes that are souped up to 50/90kmph and ridden in areas not designed to have things at that speed tearing through them. Because of pedestrians, kids, horses, etc.
The issue is more that they sell 500-1000W ebikes that are not specced for road usage, only for riding on private ground - and then hand them to teenagers. As so often, the parents are the issue, not the teens. As so often, everyone will pay the price for it through stricter regulation.
25 kph, not mph. Which isn’t very fast.
25kph is the legal speed limit for ebikes. It does not magically prevent them from going faster.
and it’s not hard to get up to 40kph just using your legs and a hill without a motor. we’ve got a great hill that’s steep enough to get up to 50kph, but i’m not quite brave enough for that.
No doubt, but that’s not what is happening. Kids are doing 40 on the flat on their “ebike” and they don’t look or indicate and they can’t do 40km/h uphill so they slow down a lot unexpectedly.
There needs to be some kind of training and regulation.
They’re not going 40 on the flat. Ebikes are heavy.
Flat
Heavy
Well that tells me all I need to know about the value of your input.
There needs to be some kind of training and regulation.
I’d have it be part of the drivers ed, but i’m an old stick in the mud
Needs to be for kids a bit younger than driving age but similar to learners’ permit I think.
can we implant it in the genes they’re supposed to automagically supoosed to have the knowledge in utero? science has done that by now i am sure i asked chatgpt and it said sure boss
That’s pretty close to my average speed and I’m just a commuter on a 30lb hardtail MTB with shitty infrastructure. I’d wager anyone who can ride a bike can easily go faster than that on a flat, even if they weren’t a regular rider.
I googled top e-bike speeds.
You can go 25mph and faster on a bicycle no problem, I reject the argument that e-bikes (not e-moto) are a significant danger. That’s mostly cabrain propaganda that people who chose to stop thinking accept.
Not unless you are are really gunning it and on a fitted road bike.
There is a pretty big psychological aspect to it in that without putting in the work, you can become disconnected in how fast you are accelerating/moving. With bicycles you tend to work up the speed as you start to understand and get comfortable with what you are riding; a process that isn’t really present with e-bikes.
It’s 25 KILOMETERS an hour. I often end up cycling faster than my ebike motor can keep up with.
Fitted road bike? I do it regularly on a 3x7 hardtail MTB loaded down with pannier bags and a frame bag. That’s not downhill, that’s on a flat. I am just an ordinary bike commuter too, not an athlete and I have a low end steel Trek meant for single track MTB riding. It weighs at least 30 lbs with all my stuff on it.
I think you are overestimating how hard it is to go fast with little to no training and the right gear, even someone who doesn’t ride regularly could probably hit 20 on a flat if they tried. Downhill you can hit 35mph+ even if you aren’t in shape and barely know how to ride.
or you are going down a big and somewhat steep hill, in that scenario your point doesnt work
A dude got up to 90mph on a bike just off his own steam before
I remember all the adverts when I was a kid telling me that if I got hit by a car at 30mph there was a 90% chance I’d live (this was the happy path of the advert). This is also cars ostensibly driven by licensed people.
E-bikes with a 25mph limiter are not a risk if we allow cars in the same space as pedestrians
25 kmph, that’s about 15 mph.
Yeah sure, but we’re not going to create laws just for Lance fucking Armstrong.
90 on a bike? That’s nuts, do you have a link to that? I’d like to see what kind of a machine that is
Honestly I remember someone telling me and I’ve never seen it myself so I went looking
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cycling_records
Turns out there’s even faster now
The article doesn’t mention any “miles per hour”. Do people in Australia use mph?
In December, the NSW premier, Chris Minns, announced a plan to halve ebikes’ power – and therefore reduce their top speeds – to 250 watts…
No we use metric
No. It’s kph. Ebikes are restricted to 25 kph.
These are not ebikes.
They are 1000w twist throttle bikes they buy on eBay and AliExpress.
I hope Australian kids annoy adults enough that this moral panic about social media dies from adults just giving up because kids resort to even more annoying behavior, that would be poetic justice.
Moral panic? Dude, social media is a fucking scourge. It’s not some 80s Satanic panic bullshit. It seriously hurts kids.
Researchers said the findings showed both heavy use and social media abstinence may have risks for young people, who are at risk of social isolation.
This study shows that too much or too little social media use hurts kids. This ban hurts kids.
Abstinence from social media would only be an issue if your peers had access to it while you didn’t
Why are you here then?
I get your point, but it’s not some GOTCHA, like you think it is. I’m an adult and Lemmy doesn’t use algorithms to instill emotions or push ads. It also is moderated as to where hate speech is less likely. You can go on Meta products and make comments about gassing Jews, calling blacks monkeys, and so on.
In my opinion, algorithms and dark patterns in social media need to be destroyed. Any of us who remember early social media will remember it not being anywhere near as bad as the monstrosity it has evolved into today.
Instagram was quite fun when it had a reputation for being a “hipster” platform and before Facebook bought it and absolutely butchered it, for example. Now it’s genuinely horrible.
Couldn’t agree more. Social media isn’t the problem, sure. The hyper aggressive algorithms that most of them use are extremely harmful to individuals and society.
I think most people agree but when we slip into trashing social media as a concept and lose the nuance I get concerned.
Fuck man, I’m old enough to remember Facebook was exclusively posts by my friends. Shit has come a long way.
Yup. I’d log in, scroll for maybe 10-15 posts before I saw the first one from yesterday, play some Wild Ones, and that was that.
Ok so sounds like the problem isn’t actually social media then?
Rather it is a question of the choices we make about the architecture and design of social media.
Well, duh. That’s the problem. That’s what I’m saying. That’s like saying beer doesn’t cause alcoholism, the alcohol in it does. You’re being pedantic.
No, when you just say social media = bad you feed into the moral panic with your intellectual laziness.
Try harder with formulating your arguments please.
You are insufferable.
you seem like a very fun person to be around.
He’s just being argumentative. Some people think that’s a personality trait.
Every teenager, edgelord and redditor (but I repeat myself) thinks this way. That being some kind of contrarian/devil’s advocate dipshit is some proof or evidence of their mighty intellect.
“Oh, but have you thought about this!!! It seems only I am so smart as to have such enlightened thoughts…”
Every teenager is the Gotcha-Man and they think they’re unique and novel.
:)
This is a forum.
Forums and blogs could be classed as social media, but they predate widespread use of the term, and are fundamentally different from the corporate social platforms.
It’s the combination of an individualized engagement algorithm and user-generated content that defines modern social media.
It’s the combination of an individualized engagement algorithm and user-generated content that defines modern social media.
This is precisely what is supercharging this moral panic, people don’t automatically think critically about this and will bandwagon on social media = bad because it feels righteous and is easy unless WE force a more nuanced conversation.
Social media is a terrible for us. Me included. It’s addictive - that’s why I’m here. It’s even worse for kids as it fucks up their social skills development. And we have the power to help them avoid it, just like we were lucky enough to grow up before it. Once they’re old enough they can then choose to fuck them selves up, like they can with alcohol, weed, porn, etc.
Social media is a terrible for us. Me included. It’s addictive - that’s why I’m here.
If that is how you feel I encourage you to start from a position of curiosity about what draws you here beyond a simple thought terminating comparison to an addictive physical substance or our sex drive.
