The Crusades were what? A thousand years ago? I don’t think it’s really that applicable as a “hypocrisy” card anymore. And the Inqusition is almost as old.
Oh you want more recent? How about the Vatican helping Nazis to flee to South America? Opus Dei trafficking women in the 80’s?
As for the Inquisition, it still exists. It was just cutely renamed in 1965.
The point is, this is a 2000-year-old criminal organization, and it bears the weight of millenia of crime. Just waiting long enough doesn’t wipe the slate clean - just like a Mafia boss can’t ever give you lessons on how to lead an honest life, even if he retired 50 years ago.
Leo is the head of that criminal organization, and as such has zero standing to give anyone moral lessons.
Yet he’s one of the good guys, someones brought the pope to our side. Stop fighting the leadership that is trying to do better, and fight the establishment that isn’t.
So one of the most powerful organizations on the planet should just sit back and let the world fall to shit because you don’t like things its done in the past?
This is one of the major reasons the world is turning to shit, people would rather stand on principle instead of practicality. Should the catholic church be taken to task for the atrocities it has committed? Abso-fucking-lutely. But until that becomes possible (which is a long time from now) having them push in the right direction for once is not a bad thing.
You don’t have to celebrate them, but you don’t have to shove them in a corner and dismiss everything they say either. Especially since it’s the head of one of the most powerful religious organizations in the world. Even if you don’t, many people still listen to it.
True, it was ages ago, were not fighting over the holy land anymore and that area of the world is no longer an intractable religious-political issue shaping the decisions of major nations these days! Thank god
It’s almost as scandalous as, say, the many Crusades over the centuries, the Inquisition or tolerating a massive pedophilia ring for decades.
Pope Leo would be well-advised to check that he took a shower before criticizing other people’s body odor…
The Crusades were what? A thousand years ago? I don’t think it’s really that applicable as a “hypocrisy” card anymore. And the Inqusition is almost as old.
For the third one, sure.
Oh you want more recent? How about the Vatican helping Nazis to flee to South America? Opus Dei trafficking women in the 80’s?
As for the Inquisition, it still exists. It was just cutely renamed in 1965.
The point is, this is a 2000-year-old criminal organization, and it bears the weight of millenia of crime. Just waiting long enough doesn’t wipe the slate clean - just like a Mafia boss can’t ever give you lessons on how to lead an honest life, even if he retired 50 years ago.
Leo is the head of that criminal organization, and as such has zero standing to give anyone moral lessons.
Yet he’s one of the good guys, someones brought the pope to our side. Stop fighting the leadership that is trying to do better, and fight the establishment that isn’t.
So one of the most powerful organizations on the planet should just sit back and let the world fall to shit because you don’t like things its done in the past?
This is one of the major reasons the world is turning to shit, people would rather stand on principle instead of practicality. Should the catholic church be taken to task for the atrocities it has committed? Abso-fucking-lutely. But until that becomes possible (which is a long time from now) having them push in the right direction for once is not a bad thing.
You don’t have to celebrate them, but you don’t have to shove them in a corner and dismiss everything they say either. Especially since it’s the head of one of the most powerful religious organizations in the world. Even if you don’t, many people still listen to it.
See, that’s what you should’ve said. Bringing up stuff from centuries ago as a grudge thing to modern politics isn’t a good look.
I got some pretty good lessons on leading an honest life from a lot of ex gangsters in various positions.
True, it was ages ago, were not fighting over the holy land anymore and that area of the world is no longer an intractable religious-political issue shaping the decisions of major nations these days! Thank god