Some comrades over at Hexbear have organized a donation drive for Palestine and, over the past few weeks, have managed to raise over $1500 for verified Palestinian fundraisers. The fediverse is a good place full of good people.
Some comrades over at Hexbear have organized a donation drive for Palestine and, over the past few weeks, have managed to raise over $1500 for verified Palestinian fundraisers. The fediverse is a good place full of good people.
Great, so now you’re moving the goalposts from hexbear users saying “Ukrainians should be wiped out” to “the Ukrainian government has a Nazi problem”, at least you realized how utterly ridiculous your first claim was.
Also, “not that Russia’s invasion had anything to do with that” is literally the opposite of Russian propaganda, Russian propaganda explicitly claims that the purpose of the invasion was to denazify Ukraine’s government, so claiming that the invasion had nothing to do with that is explicitly saying that the propaganda is false.
It’s a much more sensible and reasonable claim about politics and geopolitics that doesn’t wish any evil on Ukrainians, as I originally argued. You may disagree with it as I said, but again, idk why you feel so compelled to bring this whataboutism in a post about fundraising for Palestine. It seems to me that you couldn’t easily find anything contradicting what I said, so you moved the goalposts and tried to make it sound different?
Edit: holy shit you’re being disingenuous, the post you’re quoting literally says the following: “the working people of ukraine are suffering due to the profitable war mongering of capitalist powers” right before what you pasted here. I will now proceed to disengage with you because you just proved to me that you’re not arguing in good faith, you’re making shit up, moving the goalposts and cherrypicking quotes then misinterpreting them willingly.
https://hexbear.net/post/228858
You’re blind if you think they’re pro-ukrainian there.
It takes 2 seconds to find shit like this all over hexbear.
Hexbear is trash and a stain on the fediverse. They give it a bad name and is why the mass majority of instances have defederated from them.
They are correct, though, and they’re not arguing for elimination of Ukrainians, they’re disagreeing with the modern, western-manufactured idea of the “holodomor” as a willing manmade famine directed to Ukraine in particular with the intention of ethnic cleansing, which is entirely unsupported and a fringe position in actual modern evidence-based historiographical analysis. There was a USSR-wide famine due to unforeseen consequences of rapid collectivization, which had to be carried out this way to pursue the rapid industrialization that saved all Slavic ethnicities from being exterminated by Nazis. This rapid collectivization and industrialization ended up saving a hundred million lives from extermination at the hands of Nazism, and also gave rise to unprecedented life expectancy in the region through the elimination of famines altogether after that (excluding ww2), which were previously commonplace throughout the history of the region.
The argument is not “fuck Ukrainians, they deserved the holodomor”, it’s “I’m angry when I have to constantly engage with the western-manufactured and nazi-peddled conspiracy theories of genocide against Ukrainians during the Soviet Union”. You surely understand that the user is angry at this.
If you’re interested and worried about the well-being of Ukrainian people, we can argue if you want about the biggest demographic crisis in Ukraine since WW2, which has been the transition to capitalism:
Suffice it to say, I dont support the state model of the current Russian Republic, and I honestly believe that Ukrainians lived better under Socialism than they do now, they were already the most impoverished nation in Europe before the war after 30 years of neoliberalism and corruption. Now they’ve gone from being an industrial powerhouse of the USSR with guaranteed healthcare, education, housing and employment, to being a playground for war games of the Russian Republic and the western empire.
Yea… we’re done here.
As I said:
It seems that you’re not genuinely interested in that and you’re arguing purely in nationalist terms, so yeah, you’ve proven your bad faith and your lack of willingness to discuss the current issues of Ukraine outside your pro-western framework. So yeah, I guess we are done.
Tankie logic.
You made claims you didn’t back up and moved the goal posts twice, and finally resolved to calling them a tankie.
You’re “pro Ukraine” in the same way Zionists are “pro Israel”, they cannot do wrong and they cannot be criticized. Anyone who criticizes Ukraine is a Russian tankie bot.
Ukraine does have a Nazi history and a Nazi problem, and that’s separate from and not a defense of Russia or Putin, and rejecting it as tankie logic simply because Putin used it as a talking point is intellectually dishonest.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946
And Zelenski is an unapologetic genocide supporting Zionist, why would anyone collecting funds for victims of Israeli genocide also collect funds for its cheerleaders.
We can accept that Russia is wrong and Putin is evil and the war on Ukraine is bad without sanctifying Ukraine and pretending it has no problems.
He must have posted over on his hexbear account.
Tankie brigade is here to make sure everyone knows that they think ukraine is filled with Nazis…and now Zelenskyy is a Zionist…tankies gonna tank I guess.
Another one added to the tag group.
Jesus Christ you’re hopeless.
I even provided a liberal western media source for you, but you’re right, suggesting Nazis exist in Ukraine (where they welcomed Hitler and exterminated upwards of 1.6 million Jews) is tankie brigading.
And dismissing that zelenski is a Zionist is… I don’t even know how to label that, you’re just shoving your fingers in your ears and screaming “LALALA TANKIE TANKIE TANKIE”.
Thought-terminating cliche, easier to disregard someone with coherent arguments and a humane outlook on Ukraine than to engage in a framework contradicting the propaganda in your nation’s terms. I’ve explicitly told you how I’ve hosted Ukrainian refugees in my home, and I haven’t told you how much I’ve donated to Ukrainian individuals, but you’d rather disregard me as a “Ukrainian hater” despite my actions.
Sure thing…you keep spewing that russian propaganda…
Second thought-terminating cliche in a row!
I keep spewing the Russian propaganda such as me denying that the reason why Russia invaded Ukraine was to curb Nazism and arguing that that’s just propaganda to justify it internally?