Studies are conflicted on whether it reduces risk of diseases, but what’s definitely true is that removing the foreskin removes most of the nerves associated with pleasure for the penis.

Of course it doesn’t take away all sexual pleasure, but people who get circumcisions later in life report that their sexual pleasure from sex and masturbation is greatly reduced from before the circumcision. This likely also applies to babies, although there’s no conclusive evidence to support that since people who were circumcised at birth report “normal” amounts of sexual pleasure, though it’s unknown if they and uncircumcised people have the same “normal”.

The reason circumcision became popular in the Western world outside of Jewish and Muslim culture is because of John Harvey Kellogg, the inventor of Corn Flakes, founder of the Kellogg cereal company, and activity against “immoral” sexual activity like masturbation. He invented Corn Flakes as a food to deter masturbation, as he believed that a cause of “unnatural” sexual appetites was flavorful food, so he made a blander source of nutrition to combat the urge to masturbate. He also heavily advocated for circumcision for both children and adults because he believed that it would decrease sexual pleasure for the penis, which would also discourage masturbation.

Take it from a Jew who’s been jerking the gherkin since he was 12: It doesn’t work. Don’t circumcise your baby unless it’s for a religious reason, or if the baby is born with a condition that requires it.

Oh, and among people who both enjoy sex with people with penises and care about whether or not it’s circumcised, it’s pretty evenly split about which variety they actually prefer, with the biggest factor in the preference being that individual’s culture.

Edit: There are a lot of non-Jews criticizing the practice in Judaism. I completely understand, and your criticisms are valid. All I can speak for is my own experience and what I’ve been able to look into. In my case and the case of many Jewish men that I’ve talked to, both religious and non-religious, the rates of resentment for circumcision are much lower among them than among non-Jews who have been circumcised. I understand if you still believe it to be wrong, but do not put out hate speech in the comments. This includes name-calling and generalizations about any particular cultures. If you still believe that it’s wrong for Jews and Muslims to do it, and that religion doesn’t justify it, you are entitled to your opinion. Just please be respectful about it.

Another edit: To build on the first point, consent of the child is a big issue that many parents face when deciding whether or not to circumcise. All I can say about that is that it’s a lot less risky to health to do it in infancy rather than as an adult. Again, I can only speak for myself, but if I hadn’t been circumcised as an infant, I’d be saying a struggle today about whether or not to do it, and it would be painful, mentally traumatizing, and risky, even if done with anesthesia. Yes, it is medically unnecessary in the vast majority of cases, which is why I reiterate that NON-JEWS SHOULD NOT DO IT. Please talk to Jews and get their perspectives before you judge because I can guarantee that they had the same considerations that you’ve had.

Third edit: If you’re not Jewish, there will just be aspects of the Jewish experience that you won’t understand on an intrinsic and fundamental level, just like there are things that I’ll never understand about your culture because I don’t belong to it. It seems that so far, I’m the only Jew who’s given a perspective on this, so these debates on the morality of circumcision are missing a crucial element.

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    If you’re not Jewish or Muslim, don’t do it. If you are, there’s a much more complicated discussion to be had. I won’t bore you by repeating the points I’ve made in this thread already, but suffice to say, people love to make assumptions about Jews and what we’re about without taking the time to listen to our perspectives.

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      If your super sacred book club tells you to mutilate an infant’s sexual organ at any point at all — you need to seriously ask yourself “WTF AM I DOING?!” 🖕🏼🤬

      The corrected title is correct.

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        If you seriously think it’s just because the book says so, you need to get outside more. I’m not religious and neither were my parents, neither I nor they believe the stories of Jewish scriptures to be factual or the laws to be divinely ordained or binding. Yet the one aspect of Jewish life that the vast majority of secular Jews have kept us circumcision.

        I take it you’ve never asked yourself why? You’ve never taken the time to ask a Jew what their circumcision did for them?

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          No. Go back to the other place, kiddo. Your adamant belief that any infant is fair game for genital mutilation and fully excusing it via propaganda is indefensibly vile. Kindly fuck right off, thanks.

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                CLARIFICATION REPLY TO EVERYONE I AM DISCUSSING THIS TOPIC WITH: I need to clarify that I am not trying to defend the practice of circumcision, only that I understand from my perspective as a secular circumcised Jew why so many do it. I think the vast majority of people shouldn’t do it and even that many Jews shouldn’t. That’s why I made this post in the first place. I can’t in any good conscience recommend it to anyone, but I also don’t have any kind of authority to advise Jews against it. I can advise non-Jews against it because they ARE NOT JEWISH and therefore DO NOT HAVE A CONNECTION TO THE PRACTICE. I agree with your points on a general moral level.

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            You’re welcome to believe that, but speaking as a circumcised secular Jewish male, it’s a lot more complicated than some might think. I’m glad it was done when I was an infant so I wouldn’t have to make that choice as an adult, since it would be much more painful, more risky in terms of health complications, and all-around more traumatizing. I understand that many Jews don’t share my perspective, but in my case and in many cases, it did more good than harm. If you don’t want to believe the people it was done to and want to write them off as coping or brainwashed, then there’s nothing I can tell you to convince you that other people have perspectives that are different from yours.

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          Im a secular jew and incredibly thankful that my mom isnt a psychotic asshole and didnt circumsize me for some bullshit “cultural cohesion”

          thats like the american dads that get their kids circumsized simply because they are. It’s barbaric and fucked up.

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            CLARIFICATION REPLY TO EVERYONE I AM DISCUSSING THIS TOPIC WITH: I need to clarify that I am not trying to defend the practice of circumcision, only that I understand from my perspective as a secular circumcised Jew why so many do it. I think the vast majority of people shouldn’t do it and even that many Jews shouldn’t. That’s why I made this post in the first place. I can’t in any good conscience recommend it to anyone, but I also don’t have any kind of authority to advise Jews against it. I can advise non-Jews against it because they ARE NOT JEWISH and therefore DO NOT HAVE A CONNECTION TO THE PRACTICE. I agree with your points on a general moral level.

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              Yeah i get that. I think we agree on a fundemental level. I just got hung up on the wording

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            I agree that non-Jews shouldn’t do it, there’s literally no reason. And I hope you don’t need it done later in life, because that’s actually traumatizing in many cases. If you want to keep believing that the vast majority of Jews are evil for doing something that makes us keep wanting to be Jews, that’s fine. I’m not going to tell any Jew how to be a Jew, and you don’t have to circumcise your kids just because you’re Jewish. But if you could have some empathy for circumcised AMABs who have actually experienced this themselves instead of thinking you can speak for them, you’d realize that the world is bigger and more complicated than you might believe.

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                Just that your mom would’ve been a psychotic asshole if she had circumcised you and that my perspective on my own circumcision is “cope” because I found value in it and am glad it happened for me.

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                  Yeah, nowhere did i call anyone evil. If people want to get circumsized on their own, that is fine. If someone circumsizes a child, that is fucked up. Its about consent. You clearly had to find value in it. Which is literally cope.