This is a community for conservatism. Every other conservative space in the Fediverse has devolved into extremism or bigotry. This will NOT be tole…

conservatism@piefed.social

This is a community for conservatism. Every other conservative space in the Fediverse has devolved into extremism or bigotry. This will NOT be tolerated. The rules are as such:

  1. No racism or ethnosupremacism.
  2. No antisemitism (including dogwhistles or using right or left politics to deny it).
  3. No misogyny (such as saying women should not vote).
  4. No queer-hatred (disagreeing with their lifestyle is not a blank cheque for vitriol or exclusion).
  5. No ableism.
  6. No ageism.
  7. No slurs.
  8. No extremism.
  9. No personal attacks or strawmen on others (ad-hominens). ARGUE IN GOOD FAITH!
  10. No spam.
  11. No flood.
  12. No trying to find loopholes in the rules.
  13. Moderator and the host instance has the final say. Follow the Terms of Service of PieFed and, even if you may disagree with them, the broader Fediverse as a whole.

Edited for accuracy.

  • T00l_shed@lemmy.worldEnglish
    183·
    7 hours ago

    that advances positive ideas.

    Sorry but conservative ain’t about positive ideas

    • InfernoWarrior@piefed.socialOPEnglish
      16·
      3 hours ago

      It can be. For example, I am for conserving things such as the world we live in, conserving fair competition, conserving justice, and conserving traditional values. Do not pollute, do not allow monopolies to form, do not ruin justice, do not be so rigid in tradition we that we refuse to change even harmful ‘traditions’, and do not destroy the world we all live in for this and our next lives. It is just many uses it as an excuse for vitriol.

      Edited to fix spelling error.

      • T00l_shed@lemmy.worldEnglish
        111·
        6 hours ago

        world we live in

        It’s that really something you want to conserve?

        conserving justice

        Justice around the world needs to be reformed.

        conserving traditional values.

        What traditional values? That is a dog whistle for no gay marriage, women in the kitchen,

        Do not pollute, do not allow monopolies to form, do not ruin justic.

        Those are not conservative policies policies

        do not be so rigid in tradition we that we refuse to change even harmful ‘traditions’,

        Genuinely curious as to what you mean by that?

        and do not destroy the world we all live in for this and our next lives.

        That is not conservative policy either

        • InfernoWarrior@piefed.socialOPEnglish
          12·
          3 hours ago
          1. Yes. The Earth should not be ruined.
          2. I agree justice needs to be preserved, but I mean the principle of justice. Not the current justice system. Fair and speedy trials with the assumption of innocence until proven guilty.
          3. How? Tradition does not mean no gay marriage or women in the kitchen. That is backwards thinking and throughout history, many cultures had different traditions. Mine did not treat women like that, so…
          4. I mean, it is if you look at figures like Theodore Roosevelt. He was big on antitrust and conservationalism!
          5. Slavery and Nazism were some of the most evil things in the world and those were kept in the name of ‘tradition’. Some things need to change. It is good those are gone.
          6. Kinda is if you follow the orders of Him and shepherd His world. He never said to destroy it… He actually said the opposite.

          Edited to add 6.

          • one_old_coder@piefed.socialEnglish
            51·
            5 hours ago

            Tradition does not mean no gay marriage or women in the kitchen

            But you said:

            being a shepherd of this world instead of destroying His creation

            You want a theocracy, and that’s what you would get. You should be more honest about it.

        • InfernoWarrior@piefed.socialOPEnglish
          15·
          3 hours ago

          The institutional traditions of being a shepherd of this world instead of destroying His creation and uphold justice. That and religion. Regardless, we all live here and if we mess up this world with pollutants, destroy ecosystems, or smash justice as if it means nothing at all… I shudder to think what would happen. We already have caused unfathomable damage by deforestation, throwing mercury in the water that poisons the fish, and hunting entire species to extinction en masse.

          Edited to say the damage done to the environment.

      • SGforce@lemmy.caEnglish
        6·
        6 hours ago

        I think you’ve confused “conservationism” with “conservatism”.

        • InfernoWarrior@piefed.socialOPEnglish
          22·
          3 hours ago

          No. I am a conservationalist AND a conservative. Conservationalism can be a part of conservatism, which means to conserve. The principle is simple: We cannot use the land if we destroy the land and He commanded us to shepherd His world, not destroy it.

          Edited because I said conservationalism twice… lol.

          • CrocodilloBombardino@piefed.socialEnglish
            3·
            3 hours ago

            Hey, good faith reply here. Conservatism doesn’t simply mean “to conserve”: it has different, specific political meanings depending on what country or political system you’re referring to. Not only that, but plenty of political movements use labels that are more about sounding good than a truly accurate description of what they are. For example, Murray Rothbard deliberately stole the term “libertarian” (for American right-wing “libertarians”) from its original connection to anarchism and libertarian socialism.

            Also can you clarify your point about “traditional values”? As you said, different cultures and different time periods have had different traditions, so which ones are we conserving? If the answer is “any or all of them”, then isn’t that the same as “do whatever you like”? If the answer is a specific set of values, why those? That’s not meant to be a gotcha, I’m legit interested in where you’re coming from.

            Thank you for explicitly banning nazis, fascists, and similar groups, along with other forms of bigotry. They are a plague on us all and have no place in any political camp.