• NoiseColor @lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    But often also those who fight for their survival survive and are so happy that they are still living, that profit is less important for them.

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      2 days ago

      sure. i mean that applies to all facets of life these days sadly.

      i just dont “believe” anything about war except profit.

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          2 days ago

          working class people and the status of their survival, during war, is largely dismissed by the owning class that is profiting off of said war.

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                1 day ago

                I don’t know what you’re trying to say, but pointing out that some people profit from war doesn’t change the fact that many people fight because they want to survive and that they have a legitimate reason to fight and they should do everything to survive.

                Saying that war is about profit is also a superficial statement that doesn’t mean anything. You can make everything about profit. Was this war about profit? I think you will find most wars aren’t.

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                  22 hours ago

                  Was this war about profit? I think you will find most wars aren’t.

                  I feel like you’re forgetting about Russia. Russia started the war for profit, Ukraine fights back for survival. Most wars are, in fact, started for profit - for one side anyway.

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                    21 hours ago

                    That’s not a good argument, because set so wide you can argue every single thing in our lives and every other life on the planet is about profit.

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                  1 day ago

                  most wars arent? you’re kidding right? iraq, iraq, afghanistan, vietnam, korea… ok so maybe i mean the US,UK, Israel involvement is always about profit.

                  And look the US is involved in the war between ukraine and russia, no?

                  there is always profit. while working class people die. convinced they are being helped. defending themselves.

                  i wish them the best, of course, but there is no denying it that there is nothing but profit to be had when wars like this have folks like the us convinced they need to help.

                  what i am trying to say is that russia will keep going as long as it can, and the us and others will keep pretending to help ukraine until the profit runs out. then more people will die. we can only hope russia will give up first.

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                    1 day ago

                    There is profit in everything every day. That doesn’t mean the profit is the driving force.

                    Ukraine needs to fight to survive. Eu is helping a lot. Not pretending. But giving it means to defend itself. Ukraine has developed it’s arms industry and eu is helping with their budget. There is no pretending. It a complicated international situation, but eu doesn’t profit, Ukraine doesn’t profit, Russia doesn’t profit. The only one profiting is the us and nobody is saying they aren’t happy with it, but saying they did the whole war is really stupid.