marx was not the first just the most well defined but his things came from philosophers before him. This is why the time period and who are talking to is important.
and again im not talking just communists. its how they like to talk about it and that is why who you are talking about. im thinking in terms of earlier utopian philosophies. similarly many people today say socialism when they basically mean european “ideal” (since so many still fall short) style social democracy
marx was not the first just the most well defined but his things came from philosophers before him. This is why the time period and who are talking to is important.
yes, but none of them use your definitions, those are colloquial ones not used by any communist philosophers.
and again im not talking just communists. its how they like to talk about it and that is why who you are talking about. im thinking in terms of earlier utopian philosophies. similarly many people today say socialism when they basically mean european “ideal” (since so many still fall short) style social democracy