Use of single-sex toilets, changing rooms and hospital wards in England, Scotland and Wales is now restricted according to a person’s birth sex, rather than the gender with which they identify.
Use of single-sex toilets, changing rooms and hospital wards in England, Scotland and Wales is now restricted according to a person’s birth sex, rather than the gender with which they identify.
Trans women are women (except when they’re puppies, which is shockingly often. Then they’re bitches), but gender segregated restrooms are inefficient. You can skip the whole issue and undercut the basis of that nonsense transphobia.
Because gendered restrooms are bullshit inefficiency to start with.
Ok. Then go have your crusade and leave trans people out of it. I just don’t like seeing our civil rights being made contingent on massive change to the social structure that very few people would be down with.
It’s like those yahoos who say, “we wouldn’t have all these problems with trans acceptance if we just abolished gender!”
Nobody complains anywhere I’ve seen them, including at the local queer spaces. It turns out they’re also the only solution for non-binary people, who I’m sure you care about very much.
Technically true, but that’s not why they’re saying it and that’s a slightly bigger ask than ‘think no differently in the immediate term, remove some signs’. If these people cared what you fucking wanted and responded to rational arguments this would never have been a problem in the first place, but you’re still Jere asking them to think differently/at all.
That’s what you sound like here. You’re panicking and screaming about the things your lying liar opponents say rather than trying to think strategically about what actually effects the ways they behave.
We are on the edge of god damn war with unthinking rage fueled privilege monsters and you’re still trying to batter them with your ego and ‘what I want’. No subtlety no manipulation no strategy not even ‘I want it all, surrender not an inch’. Just tantrum.
Edit: never mind. They’re a bigot who hates non binary people.
We’re not talking about having gender-neutral bathrooms. We’re talking about ONLY having gender neutral bathrooms. If you think the broad society is going to accept only having gender neutral bathrooms, you’re delusional.
You think this is a less acceptable demand than “think of me as I wish to be thought of”? “Don’t be an irrational insane bucket of duck cunt”?
And again, the only solution that works for nb’s.
Sorry, the vast majority of society is never going to accept purely gender-neutral restrooms. Hell, I prefer having gendered restrooms. I support installing single-occupancy gender-neutral restrooms everywhere practical, but 90% of the population is never going to support completely abolishing gendered restrooms. The nonbinary folks will just have to make peace with that. Being trans is about your own body and gender; it’s not about controlling others. I support building systems that let nonbinary people move through the world. But accommodating nonbinary people does not mean everyone becomes nonbinary.
Only if someone is some sort of bizarre nonbinary supremacist.
You think the vast majority of TERF islanders will be more willing to see you as you wish to be seen before they switch most/all buildings to more efficient egalitarian use that even cis people benefit from, that frees architects developers and business operators all over the world from a lot of annoying local ordinances about equality of bathrooms between genders? Like they already do in many places?
Say nonbinary people should have a right to exist in society and their identities are valid, they’re just as trans as binary trans people, and deserve the same level of safety and validation as everyone else. If you wouldn’t mind.
Absolutely. You’re proposing a complete reorientation of how people of all genders interact with restrooms. I’m proposing simply using the exact same system people have used for generations without trouble. I’m advocating for the pre-trans panic status quo. You’re advocating for radical social transformation. I don’t need any proof that my vision is possible, as I’m advocating for what has already existed!
If you wouldn’t mind, please don’t make bad-faith interpretations of what I wrote.
Non-binary inclusion does not mean binary supremacy. I’m fine with having gender neutral restrooms wherever possible. And I’m fine with nonbinary people using whatever restroom they’re comfortable with. This is nonbinary inclusion
What you’re advocating is nonbinary supremacy, where the whole culture has to live as nonbinary. We can’t have any gendered spaces at all, as that wouldn’t be accommodating nonbinary people.
Again, inclusion refers to what you are allowed to participate in. You don’t get to tell other how to live their lives and whitewash it in language of inclusivity.
You’re an enby supremacist.
Enby inclusion: we build as many gender-neutral restrooms as we can, everyone can use the bathroom they’re most comfortable with.
Enby supremacy: gender must be abolished entirely. Everyone must be nonbinary. Gendered restrooms must be ended completely. Any recognition of binary identities is bigotry.
You seem to be suffering from a binary-phobia problem.
Ah. So you are a bigot. Got it.