The problem with being Sith is the inevitable betrayal in the end. Although the “honesty” is refreshing, like a light in the darkness.

The problem with being Jedi, at least those particular Jedi, indeed is the hypocrisy built into the system, like a darkness in the light.

Perhaps neither side is “right” or “wrong”, just a preference that each chooses?

Perhaps some admins would not care, but:

1. Whether some admins help or not, users still have the choice to go somewhere where other admins do
2. Anyone can become their own admin, ultimately

Neither of these are trivially easy, I don’t mean to suggest that, just possible.

OP already answered this: not at the present time.

That was not why lemm.ee died. That one was lack of admins, presumably due to their choice to become a “free speech haven” where all voices were allowed to be heard. But then having given in that far to incel culture, nonetheless still trying to pull back to stop short of becoming another 4chan. The burden on those admins was INTENSE, and they simply gave up.

Btw, PieFed already offers a number of tools that helps reduce the burden on human mods to make decisions easier.

PieFed’s democratization of moderation features are breathtakingly awesome to behold - Reddit and even Lemmy (+ Mbin, nodeBB, etc.) have nothing that even comes close! And note that article was even written two years ago (but I will stop myself short of making my comment a billet-doux on PieFed, instead just saying that it has long had this automation already).

I disagree: ultimately it can be, if users choose instances that defederate from those who allow their kids to use AI tools. (Autocorrect changed “mods” to “kids”, but I think I will leave it that way bc it’s funnier 😜)

For some of us, power carries with it a certain level of responsibility. 🕸️

For others, it is just a fun tool to wield over the fates of others. 🐒 And AI lets them do that with less effort. 💤

Obviously, but unless the modlog is being spammed with many entries, and I receive notifications for each one individually (which is actually happening right now from communities on dbzer0, and unlike Lemmy, PieFed actually sends notifications for such events, but I will set that sub-topic aside for s moment), then in theory I do not care if I am (preemptively?) banned from let’s say c/conservative@newreddit.com or c/extremetankiedeathsquad@thereallemmy.fuckallwesterners (to be clear, these are hypothetical made-up names!🤪), if I never wanted to post or vote on their content anyway? They are even doing me a favor if it prevents it from showing in my feed (which it would on Lemmy iirc, but on PieFed it would not).

Although it should only matter if you chose to subscribe to that community where the mod is in charge.

You would do well to remember that the enemy of my enemy is not always my friend.

If a normal person were to call me a troll many times in a row, I would strongly consider blocking them. But I wonder if blocking these people would have any effect upon this spam?

I also find it the height of irony that we are all told by dbzer0 admins that we should strive hard to understand, since those mods must surely have their reasons for doing what they did, whereas if e.g. Lemmy.World were to block calls for outright murder of themselves personally, then all of a sudden moderation should no longer be allowed to moderate that violent rhetoric spammed at them. One rule for thee while another, different rule for me…

Also, I am somewhat anti-AI, but not to the extent of trolling anyone. Though do facts matter anymore - i.e. have these two mods been kicked off of dbzer0 for their false accusations, sent preemptively out to half the Threadiverse?

When lemm.ee shut down, all the “free speech” incels (to whom no means create a new account and keep going) had to go somewhere. Never mind that it was the weight of all that toxicity that caused lemm.ee to shut down… just create a new account and keep going. And hexbear was defederated from so many other instances, it just makes sense to create an account on an instance that is friendly to HB but that also can reach the rest of the Threadiverse - they want to have their cake and eat it too (which makes sense, I would too in their place, and in fact I strongly considered making an account on dbzer0 myself in the past, thinking that it had defederated from HB but that turned out to have been merely a technical glitch, I think due to HB having lost its domain name at one point).

I made this image a few days ago but it seems to still fit here as well:)

Thank you for correcting me here, I apologize for spreading misinformation.

@rimu@piefed.social there seems to be a bug in PieFed.social’s modlog? I see four entries that all say done by “lemmy.dbzer0.com admin” a week ago citing “Banned account OpenStars”, but @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com confirms this is not the case. No “reason” statement is given that I can see, and no community name either (which is why I interpreted that to mean a site ban). I just upvoted a post in YPTB that seemed to work (the color of the vote changed) which points to the likelihood that I am not instance banned from either direction.

I’ve only had a single moderator event since I made this account, well over a year ago except a featuring & unfeaturing of a post - huh, I didn’t even know about that one!).

Then one day I wake up with like 10 bans in my notifications area, from what looks to be pro-AI communities. They did not merely claim to be acting on the safe side with a generic message, they specifically called me names as in an “Anti-AI Troll”. Fwiw I consider myself as someone who desires a more nuanced view of how LLM usage might be appropriate in various real-world scenarios than your average Lemming. It’s not my fault that corporations are deploying technology before it is ready and that the results are exceedingly untrustworthy right now - though ironically I was actually thinking about trying to find a legitimately more helpful and nuanced place that allows those kinds of discussions. Naive optimism is a biased method of thinking, but so too is pessimism, and if at all possible I prefer realism. And I don’t want to exist purely inside of an echo chamber, you know?

Which is why I avoid Lemmy.ml communities and users, and apparently I need to start doing the same with dbzer0 ones as well. They aren’t quite part of the Tankie Triad, but highly ironically, their admins allow mods that are instead somehow even more authoritarian than them? Like, I’ve never actually been banned by Lemmy.ml on any of my accounts (that I am aware of) - probably bc I do avoid those communities. While on the other hand dbzer0 (apparently) preemptively instance-banned me 4 times in a row last week - not even unbanning me in between them, just like stuttering or mashing the ban button EXTRA hard! Edit: this is starting to look more and more like a bug in PieFed’s modlog display, as in displaying a blank community name or some such, thank you to dbzer0 for correcting me here. I will leave the graphic because it is funny and because it still applies to all the mods on dbzer0 who are enabled and protected by but not actually the same as the admin team.

Now I know what people mean when they said that being banned from Lemmy.ml was a badge of honor, good riddance! I do find it sad that others are still going to have to discover this on their own though, as dbzer0 converts to authoritarianism like Lemmy.ml (and AN seems on its way to becoming a second Hexbear). A year or so ago, I had true respect for dbzer0 - especially the head admin. I don’t know what happened exactly but I don’t like the result one bit:-(.

Anyway yeah, I can’t fight back against these abusive words, and if an instance decides to ban me four times a day for the foreseeable future, there is nothing is can do about that either - it almost seems like people are weaponizing the modlog, or at least revealing that someone could do that if they wanted to. I guess it is up to each instance what level of abusiveness they want to allow to their users from these shitty modlog practices. My own “fight” (that I did not realize I was even in?) with them seems over, but this absolutely will affect MANY other users as well.

As the OP graphs show - these numbers reflect REAL events, with REAL stories behind them, affecting REAL people.

Then I am glad I mentioned it!:-)

Wow this is really interesting.

Actually this might be a great time to ask you for a feature request: lately I’ve been banned from SO MANY AI communities located on dbzer0, the trouble with that being that I’ve literally never heard of any of these, much less interacted with any of them, presumably even with a downvote.

Is this “harassment” then, to be preemptively banned from something on some other server that I had no intention of ever going to? What if someone were to create 10 communities a day and ban someone from them all? I guess that one would get noticed and shut down, but I would not put it past an AI content generator to do just this sort of thing, if it were given the ability to do so.

Anyway, perhaps those notifications could be silenced unless I’ve ever commented or at least voted in the community that I am being banned from? I don’t need to know or care about something that I have zero interest in - these unsolicited bans are spam.

Here is a highly relevant conversation: https://lemmy.ca/comment/21065449. This link is to one comment but also check out the OP that it is in.

Everything comes down to moderation. Lemmy’s moderation abilities are extremely primitive - though notably the upcoming additional functionality to send mod reports to users on different instances than the community will help a bit. People get burnt out and can’t keep up with the flood of negativity, so stop their volunteer moderating activities. Remember that Lemmy itself got started when its devs got kicked out of Reddit for being too toxic - and likewise many of its initial membership. As for the rest of us, this was the choice that we made - even if for some of us, only after Kbin died (forked into Mbin now).

PieFed offers substantially improved moderation abilities - especially those reducing the need for moderation in the first place, by placing more power into the hands of the end-user by democratization of the moderation work itself. Edit: e.g. someone wanting to avoid toxicity could leave enabled the functionality to auto-collapse or even auto-hide comments that are below a certain up-&-downvote threshold, while others who have thicker skins can disable those hand-holding options and decide for ourselves what we want to see - all without the need for moderator intervention, instead using the preferences of the community as a surrogate moderator in that case. However, PieFed as a the software platform lacks a great deal of polish in its UI compared to Lemmy (though 3rd party apps are catching up to support its feature set offered in the API).

PieFed is the only thing giving me hope for the future of the Threadiverse & Fediverse right now.

ADHD-ussy!

Or justification to bother having written the article at all, much less to waste all of our time being told that it exists and enticed to read it.

From increased access to diagnoses, r-r-right!?