https://www.reddit.com/r/BuyFromEU/comments/1qm1uq1/lets_settle_the_reddit_alternative_discussion/

TLDR: here is a very long list of things that Lemmy will need to do in order to get people on Reddit to try it. Btw PieFed already does most of them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/16hkxua/why_im_giving_up_on_lemmyfediverse/

Pretty much what I said earlier.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/143o5xd/reconsidering_my_support_for_lemmy/

https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/170ie8t/regarding_the_recent_complaints_about_lemmy_being/

https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/16zq1dd/the_lemmyverse_aint_all_its_cracked_up_to_be/

This list could go on all day.

They will never reach feature parity.

Redditors, who are primarily USA Christian centrists, will never join someplace where extremists are constantly calling for Luigi-ing everyone in any Western civilizations.

Try it: make an account on lemmy.ml and use it for a day, and make an account on a PieFed instance and do the same. The feature differences are enormous - as too are those that you do not readily see, such as the fact that moderator reports actually federate on one of those two platforms but not the other (tbf they will eventually in an upcoming release).

You will be pleasantly surprised at the outcome if do this experiment.

Yes, although actually I am not aware of any instances that have NOT done this, even like a year or more before it needed done.

Tbf, a TON of information surrounding that issue turned out to be false. Though at its core you may be correct - and yet the same is also true of Lemmy?

Especially in the past, like when Lemmy at first hard-coded a slur word filter (in English no less), and in response Nutomic told people that… well, read for yourself:

If you dont like it, fork it. Stop bothering us about it, we will never fully remove the slur filter.

(Though they later relented.)

PieFed is not perfectly administered (Rimu admitted this, and stepped back from being the sole leader of the project), and neither is Lemmy. Both are imperfect software tools, both offered as FOSS. Yay - we all win with that philosophy!!

At the end of the day though, if someone is relying upon a free instance service, then it is up to those instance admins to decide their policies, while your only choice is which one you will be beholden to. This too is not different from how Lemmy works, though one difference is in how extremely FAST PieFed develops new features, and also in how responsive the devs are. I don’t blame anyone for choosing not to move, but objectively speaking I don’t see Lemmy passing any purity tests more often than PieFed - especially given how it is way easier to install a personal PieFed instance than a Lemmy one.

Some instances also filter out trolls. Oddly enough, not all do that though…

But which upvote type - boosts or votes? Why do boosts exist at all then, if they don’t “boost” anything? I thought I remembered (granted it’s been a couple of years since I migrated from Reddit to kbin.social) that it was boosts, and it was upvotes that existed but were irrelevant? (If so, but not anymore, then how and why was that changed?)

Not that you need to answer every one of these - I’m just sharing my confusion, which many people seem to also share.

If I get rounded up and thrown into a concentration camp because of their shit, I’m going to be pissed 😡.

That’s likely an Mbin issue. Ernst, the creator of the original product Kbin before it got forked and taken over as Mbin, made a confusing decision to have both upvotes and boosts together, and not just on the microblog (Mastodon) side with magazines but even side-by-side also on the Threadiverse with communities. So when you press the “upvote”… I forget which action even occurs - upvoting vs. boosting. Sorting by votes also gets very wonky.

And yes, all those weird design decisions very much scare people away from Mbin: the largest Mbin instance has only <500 active accounts and all Mbin instances combined have mere hundreds of users. For comparison, the flagship PieFed instance has >1k users, the NSFW one has twice that, and Lemmy.world alone has >13k!!!

Frontfooted insult?

I find it hard to believe that he is not already aware.

I’m glad he’s okay!

PieFed allows you to see the comments on deleted posts for exactly this reason.

I don’t miss it one bit, personally. The positives to blocking the whole instance far outweighs the negatives, imho. There are tons of other communities, and it helps make room for such things as poetry (with barely any subscribers and almost no commenters) to show up.

Ofc you do you - there may be a specific community that you feel that you cannot do without. Perhaps you can help by reposting stuff from it elsewhere.

Doubtful - Lemmy’s userbase continues to shrink or at best hold steady, and while PieFed continues to keep doubling in size, its total subscriber count remains a moderate fraction of Lemmy’s.

On the other hand, the tools keep getting better - excruciatingly slowly, but consistently nonetheless.

From what I can see, that is not a back-end restructuring but as far as a new architectural design it will purely affect the front-end UI. Which will begin to look somewhat more similar to PieFed, yet without coming anywhere close to what PieFed offers today, as opposed to what PieFed offered like a year ago. e.g. there will be no ability to hold polls (or to share those custom-built feeds?).

More relevant is that Lemmy 1.0 may take a year or so to become fully deployed across the Threadiverse, if past experience is any judge. The devs say to explicitly expect major breaking bugs and perhaps to avoid deployment in prod as a result. And ofc apps are going to need to catch up as well. This one being a breaking change may lead most older apps unable to connect to an instance that uses the newer software (unless I am misreading that part about the older backwards compatible API).

Lemmy.world in particular, which holds ~50% of Threadiverse users and >90% of the most highly-active communities (unfortunately for the aim of decentralization) is well-known for delaying deployment until the Lemmy code fixes such issues.

So a year from now Lemmy will begin to catch up to some of what PieFed had almost a year ago in the past already, and meanwhile I expect PieFed will not itself be standing still all that time… I am glad to see that Lemmy is still being actively worked on, truly I am, but also I find it hard to actually be excited about that pace, by comparison. Then again, any movement forward still counts, and improves the Fediverse as a whole, so by however much, it is still a good thing! :-)

PieFed is running circles around Lemmy, even with the highly irresponsible code vulnerability disclosures awhile back.

As you know better than I, Friendica struggles mightily with scalability, Mastodon is slow to add new features especially those asked for many years, and Lemmy and Mbin are likewise exceedingly slow, whereas PieFed adds new MAJOR features quarterly even.

My hopes for the future of the entire Threadiverse lies with PieFed.

There are so many fascinating differences in how your comment reply here shows vs. not.

Like on all of https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/70448923 and https://lemmy.world/post/48069327 and even https://piefed.zip/comment/5630582 your most recent comments here do not show up at all, despite it having been sent 2 hours ago. Though somehow your earlier comments are visible, but not your latest ones?

And yet I see them on my instance. I am not sure why, or if your tagging my username specifically helped cause that to happen for this instance but somehow no other instances.

The formatting if I ask to “view markdown source” is messed up - everything is on a single line, and some formatting indicators are missing - but the traditional, regular display mode of the message is perfect.

Interrelation between the different platforms still needs improvements, but it is encouraging to see it get better over time.:-)

I am not sure that you would get this unless I add your user tag @macfranc@poliversity.it ?

It is not your fault. The entire Fediverse is still being built, and it only gets better over time.:-) The fact that Lemmy + PieFed + mBin + nodeBB can intercommunicate at all is fantastic, even though yes there are some kinks remaining to be worked out:-).

My intention was to make light of the reasoning behind criticism of your post, while pointing out to Threadiverse users that once you get past that, the actual content is quite solid. So less “wall of text” than merely “odd-looking introduction”. It’s a good post!

And yeah the giant text looks weird, haha! 😂 Especially since at first it is a repeat of the title, but then goes into new territory after that. I do not know if there is anything that can be done about it though, except further code development on the side of all the myriad varieties of recipients of the message.

it’s the giant text isn’t it?!?!? Or repeating it both in the title and then still yet over again, once more?!?!

Well I still think it’s interesting content, after that.