People keep trying to tell me all sorts of things about myself that I don’t agree with, and are objectively not true about myself.

Like based on my last name they assume I’m an Italian immigrant and often will argue about it with me and tell me how I must have grown up, usually based on TV stereotypes of Italians. It’s totally bizarre. For example I grew up on shitty processed white people food, not Italian food. I never had fresh proper Italian food until I learned to cook it myself in my 30s, and yet people ask me what it was like to have a mom cooking wonderful fresh food at home… and if say that wasn’t what happened in your childhood, they call you a liar.

people also justify and re-interpret their actions in real time. cheaters often think their cheating is justified rather than thinking of it making them terrible in the eyes of their spouse or family.

on the outside looking at the past, we have hindsight and context and oftentimes a different cultural and historical set of standards than other societies and other times had.

I find it particularly baffling when people like go back and read 18th century books and think they are bad people because they were racist or something. At that time, not being racist would have made you the moral outlier, just like being atheistic would.

You can do whatever you want. You can be fans of multiple teams, or none at all. You can even bandwagon and just be a fan of whomever is winning currently.

Yeah I am characterizing them as what they are. You articulate a defense of moral relativism, via very pedantic argumentation that equates unpaid parking tickets with murder. And then claim nobody is evil…in a world where objectively evil people are doing objective evil things all the time.

But hey, I believe in an objective reality and objective morality. Clearly I’m a terrible person, to a moral relativist. Especially when I judge them and dispute them.

I also notice lemmy has a lot of fan of solipsism who like to argue that they are very smart because there is no reality outside of themselves and you can’t prove to them that there is, and that I am clearly and ignorant fool if I acknowledge there is something outside of my own feelings. A couple of entire instances have this as their credo.

No I do totally understand. For you everything is relative, and everyone is equally innocent and guilty of all things at all times. That’s why it’s moral relativism.

Non relativism holds that certain acts are irredeemable, and that being nice to your kids wild murdering millions does not qualify you as ‘somewhat good’, anymore than getting a parking ticket makes a non-murderer ‘somewhat bad’.

It’s not a personal attack, it’s an observation that people who morally relativistic views tend to do some out of their own self interest in the world. Just like psychopaths and sociopaths overwhelmingly tend to be amoral. I don’t know any ‘good’ people who believe in moral relativism… and they rightfully avoid people who who are moral relativist.

There are tons of people who cartoonishly evil, do you read the news? Half of the USA political class are cartoonishly evil people, and lots of average citizens are as well.

We clearly live in totally different realities. You seem to like as long as Pol Pot was a nice guy to you, than you can’t condemn him as evil… lol And yeah, if that is your ‘truth’, why would anyone who actually believes in moral judgement want to associate with you? You basically are writing apologia for pedophiles, murders, abusers, and etc, and claiming they aren’t much different morally from people who are genuinely honest and kind to others and work towards making the world genuine a better place.

right, so criminal psychopaths and such are sometimes good people?

and someone who never harmed anyone in their life, must also be terrible in some way? they are just ‘lucky’ that life never goaded them into violence or hate…

you are clinging really hard to this relativism. i notice people who do that are usually shitty folks who are trying to normalize their history of repeatedly bad actions, like cheaters, drunk drivers, and folks with who are violent or abusive. it’s always people who repeated engage in destructive behaviors who want to drag everyone else down to their level, because they refuse to admit that they are terrible folks.

funny thing about my violent exes, they always took this relativist stance on ethics, because to them ‘good’ was only what benefited themselves and the notion there is something more important than them and their immediate feelings was considered evil to them.

or just manipulating people so you can murder them!

by that definition, as long as i asked someone to kill me, it’s a morally good thing.

What terrifies me, is I feel like a lot of younger people no longer can separate out words, thoughts, and reality. They seem to think if you ever have a racist thought once in your life you are irredeemable forever… it’s wild.

It feels like a evangelical christian craziness, just focused on race rather than sin.

everyone is racist.

racism being some ‘white on non-white’ only thing is a figment of rich white liberal imagination. not to mention their ignorance of intra-minority racism, of which asians are particularly nasty ime.

There are objective good and bad people. They are just rare. Most people are in the bell curve, and the vast majority of us hold some racist/sexist/stupid beliefs… the issue is just if those beliefs align with our peers, then they are good, and bad if they don’t.

I witness people saying horrible shit all the time, but as long as it’s against the ‘bad people’ people think it is great and you are wonderful for saying it.

If you tell yourself a lie frequently enough, you believe it.

chicken comes in price ranges. the highest price range is usually double what the lowest is.

TJ has 2-3 ranges of chicken products. the higher end ones don’t do this, but the really cheap bulk ones probably do and a lot of cheap low end chicken in cheaper stores definitely do.

just like they have 4 kinds of eggs, with the cheapest begin 3 dollars and the high end ones being 6-8.

I was talking about this is a thread last month and got downvoted and harassed for it by people who seem to think pre-made super market chickens were a great healthy way for poor people to get protein… people just refused to believe how unhealthy it was and that it was processed food and kept complaining how raw whole chickens were awful by comparison or something…

You missed the collective memo! Everything that happens that is mildly upsetting is now traumatic and requires years of therapy to cope with… and yes, the barista who mispronounced your name at Starbucks did it DELIBERATELY to mess with you because they secretly HATE you… and it’s not at all your projection…

Yes, there is a feeling of the world is now a panopticon and anything you do or say will be used against you and taken out of context.

No, 10 years. I have dealt with all the crap you are whining about. I worked for ‘poverty wages’ until I was in my mid 30s. And yet I never felt I was in poverty… weird. Maybe because I didn’t expect to travel, to party, and to own the latest electronic gadgets… because yeah any wage is a poverty wage when you spend more than you make, and you don’t save and invest.

It’s hard to take pride in your work when you’re whiny, entitled, and refuse to take responsibility for yourself, yes. I worked customer service jobs since i was 14, they are ridiculously easy and bare minimum effort. They are not hard back-breaking work, nor are they cognitively demanding. Acting like it’s some heroic difficult job to sling coffee or sell clothes is just sad and disrespectful to people who actually have difficult jobs.

I am so sick of being told to have ‘empathy’ for entitled lazy people who think they are owed a six figure job for doing the bare minimum. I’m glad you think life is so ‘hard’ for them. I don’t. I am not very far removed and I interact with them regularly and a lot of them are just lazy entitled nitwits, a lot of them just depended on the bank of mom and dad. I was help paying family bills at the age of 16 and many of them are still in their 20s and 30s, financially dependent on their parents. It’s pathetic. Nobody owes them anything. They have to go otu and actually make an effort… and funnily enoguh… the gen z kids I know who are making an effort at life… are succeeding and happy. They get jobs, promotions and move up the ladder. They save rather than spend recklessly and they invest and they… become financaily stable and independent?

Nobody is going to become financially successful or independent when they take their 40-50K a year job and blow 10-20K of it on ubereats, traveling, and boozing. But boy do the people who do do that love to whine about hard and unfair and awful life is.

40 hours is 40 hours. it’s not that hard of a concept. slacking off gets you fired.

and it’s breaking company policy and USA law to work overseas. it is sensitive work that is under constant threat by attackers.

but slack jawed gen z people can’t take themselves or our very serious work, seriously.

it’s your job to do that. jobs are exhausting… if you can’t do that basic task then you shouldn’t have that job.

i’m confused. like you expect to not do your job and still get paid? if you work in customer facing jobs it’s your job to greet customers.

i worked in customer service positions as a teen and 20 something. it is not hard to just say hello to people when they are in your store. it’s a basic requirement of the job.

yes, it is novel for them not to do this. and no it’s not a majority, but it’s a markedly new experience to go into a store and see a 22 year old who basically ignores customers who re actively seeking their attention/help.

I have no clue what people are going on about it’s timeless or whatever, i never dealt with it my entire life until very recently. like i have been going ot the same coffee shop for 20 years, and only in the past year have I had a barista be spaced out when i come up to the counter to order, and it’s always these young baristas, it’s not the older ones who ever do this.

and also we have issues at my job with gen z employees that we have never had ever before. i have been working there 10 years, and only in the past 2 years have we ever had to fire anyone for lack of performance or violated basic company policies… and we have had to five 6 people in the past year or so, all new hires, because they back the most basic social and work skills that we have never ever had an issue with before.

like we literally give them the rules of employment, they actively violated them and get caught, and act all confused like they didn’t understand what they did wrong. so we then terminate them and they are SHOCKED. they seem to totally lack the concept that actions have consequences and if you can’t show up to work and follow basic common sense instructions, you don’t get employeed.

and like a lot of the posters here they are massively entitled and think they are owed 100K jobs at 22 for entry level jobs and skills.