Does that still mean that the concept of “time” is not defined in a useful (human-understandable) manner in a black hole?

Doesn’t a black hole stretch time in a really weird manner? That would mean that no sensible answer can be given to the question. It could easily be that it takes either one billionth of a second or a trillion years, depending on where you are standing when observing the occurrence.

I can’t make head or tails of who would be fighting whom in that war.

If a WW was to break tomorrow, it would probably be because of Trump making true his threats to attack NATO in order gain definite control over Greenland?

Probably USA would be its own side without allies?
Then there would probably be NATO as one side, most likely with Australia and Japan on the same team as NATO. And, I’d say, probably all of Southern and Central America.
And the Russia and Iran with China? Pakistan would probably be on their side, so India would seek something else. More likely NATO than USA?

But then again, WWIII would be such a big deal that it feels weird imagining it might end up a three-sided war. The loosest piece on this board is USA… If it allies with one of the sides, will that side be that of NATO or that of the Russia?

Hm. Well, if it allies with China and the Russia, it gets super difficult for NATO to keep shit together. Then again, the Canadian border is not all that far away from DC, and Latvia is not far away from Moscow. We’d probably also have Ukraine on our side, and they can teach a lot about modern warfare!

All in all: If USA manages to ally with someone, that side is likely to win. If it remains alone, it will probably lose. I would say that in a situation where USA doesn’t ally with anyone, NATO would be the side losing the least.

But, in the end nobody wins in a war.

They are having a conversation in the Fediverse.

Nuff said?

Why what?

Sundials were absolutely surely invented several times around the world, also in Australia etc. After all, a sundial is nothing but a stick in the ground.

If mechanical clocks were invented before colonizers arrived, then the colonizers’ clocks eventually replaced them. But, I understand they were invited only after all of the southern hemisphere had been colonized by less civilized nations, so they follow the colonizers’ standards everywhere.

Sorry, I did understand all of the words in your comment, but not what you actually meant with it. Could you paraphrase, please?

So does Finland:

(Except in internal timetables of bus companies, that typically run until 30 o’clock, as it still officially counts as the same working day)

Have you noticed how common it is for buses and trains to leave at 23:59? The idea is to make it clear what evening the train is really running.

In Finnish we call noon “12 o’clock” and midnight “0 o’clock”. Makes things a lot more clear.
And the first hour of a calendar day is indeed 0:00 until 0:59:59.99… Since there are only 24 hours in a day, there cannot be a “24:30”. (Except in internal timetables of bus companies, that typically run until 30 o’clock, as it still officially counts as the same working day)

I know it’s called that way, because I’ve seen the same movies. But was SolidShake meaning his comment sarcastically, meaning that “There was no way for me to know that most of the world uses the normal clock” or without sarcasm, meaning “I had always assumed that most of the world uses the normal clock.”

He could really mean either one. I could probably delve into his comment history and make some kind of a psychoanalysis based on those comments? But, meh.

Yeah. Which is what I said. 11:59:59.9999999 is indeed AM, jos like you said. And then comes a tiny sliver of time that is precisely at the border, but a trillionth of a picosecond after that, you’re in the PM world. After the infinitely short moment that is the actual precise noon.

Why?

In general?

Everything after midday is PM. 12:00:00.00000001 is after midday. Therefore it can only be PM.

That’s the logic I use :)

I would be interested in knowing whether this was said with sarcasm or without. Because both are plausible!

Depends on what you mean with “showing time”. They won’t be showing the correct time, that’s true. But.

in the Southern hemisphere logic flips completely.

In the southern hemisphere they think Australia is suitable for human life.

At least some North American indigenous peoples say something akin to “with the sun”. And I think in yoga terminology they have a similar phrasing, or am I mistaken?

I wouldn’t blame the Babylonians for us breaking the good standard and going 58, 59, 60, 61, 62 instead of the 58, 59, 100, 101, 102 that works just fine. They were first, we are the ones who added a new system aside the old one instead of replacing it.

If that was the case, we would now be talking about 48 h clocks vs. 24 h clocks.

18:40 pm on the 24h clock would equal 36:40 on the 48 h clock. You would still not know whether it’s night or day just looking at the time.