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  • I don’t think we’re so far from having machines that pass the Turing test 100%.

    The Turing test isn’t solved with technology, its solved with participants who are easier to fool or more sympathetic to computer output as humanly legible. In the end, it can boil down to social conventions far more than actual computing capacity.

    Per the old Inglorious Bastards gag

    You can fail the Turing Test not because you’re a computer but because you’re a British computer.

    Because all the development has been focused on fakery rather than understanding and replicating consciousness, we’re close to the point where we can have a fake consciousness that would fool anyone.

    We’ve ingested a bunch of early 21st century digital markers for English language Western oriented human speech and replicated those patterns. But human behavior isn’t limited to Americans shitposting on Reddit. Neither is American culture a static construct. As the spread between the median user and the median simulated user in the computer dataset diverges, the differences become more obvious.

    Do we think the designers at OpenAI did a good enough job to keep catching up to the current zeitgeist?



  • I dont think we can currently prove that anyone other than ourselves are even conscious.

    You have to define consciousness before you can prove it. I might argue that our definition of consciousness is fuzzy. But not so fuzzy that “a human is conscious and a rock is not” is up for serious debate.

    The people around me look and act and appear conscious, but I’ll never know.

    You’re describing Philosophical Zombies. And the broad answer to the question of “How do I know I’m not just talking to a zombie?” boils down to “You have to treat others as you would expect to be treated and give them the benefit of the doubt.”

    Mere ignorance is not evidence of a thing. And when you have an abundance of evidence to the contrary (these other individuals who behave and interact with me as I do, thus signaling all the indications of the consciousness I know I possess) defaulting to the negative assertion because you don’t feel convinced isn’t skeptical inquiry, its cynical denialism.

    The catch with AI is that we have ample evidence to refute the claims of consciousness. So a teletype machine that replicates human interactions can be refuted as “conscious” on the grounds that its a big box full of wires and digital instructions which you know in advance was designed to create the illusion of humanity.


  • You could tell me my consciousness was uploaded and show me a version of me that was indistinguishable from myself in every way

    I just don’t think this is a problem in the current stage of technological development. Modern AI is a cute little magic act, but humans (collectively) are very good at piercing the veil and then spreading around the discrepancies they’ve discovered.

    You might be fooled for a little while, but eventually your curious monkey brain would start poking around the edges and exposing the flaws. At this point, it would not be a question of whether you can continue to be fooled, but whether you strategically ignore the flaws to preserve the illusion or tear the machine apart in disgust.

    I still wouldn’t believe it experiences or feels anything as I do, even though it claims to do so

    People have submitted to less. They’ve worshipped statues and paintings and trees and even big rocks, attributing consciousness to all of them.

    But Animism is a real escoteric faith. You believe it despite the evidence in front of you, not because of it.

    I’m putting my money down on a future where large groups of people believe AIs are more than just human, they’re magical angels and demons.










  • Everyone Hates Epic

    I gotta say, I’ve had a very different experience on two fronts.

    Firstly, Epic is consistently the least bad EMR. I’ve yet to see a physician come of Centricity or Allscripts and insist they were the preferable alternative.

    Secondly, while nobody likes implementation, the staff I’ve talked with generally seemed to like the additional functionality afforded by integrated diagnose and prescription services. Also, huge fans of the electronic medical records for tracking patient history