“The Okefenokee Swamp is a shallow, 438,000-acre (177,000 ha), peat-filled wetland straddling the Georgia–Florida line in the United States. A majority of the swamp is protected by the Okefenokee National Wildlife Refuge and the Okefenokee Wilderness. The Okefenokee Swamp is considered to be one of the Seven Natural Wonders of Georgia and is the largest “blackwater” swamp in North America.” -Wikipedia
Add to this Indian Reservation land, National Park/Preserve/ Wildlife Refuge land, the Everglades, other swamp/marshland, etc and you start to see that there’s several environmental challenges to a rail system from Georgia to Orlando Florida.
Yup. And there are several other 2 lane roads connecting Florida and Georgia to the west of the swamp. A direct line from Jacksonville to Atlanta would be challenging, but that’s not what we’re talking about here.
Orlando to Atlanta is already a direct land route, and you see Georgia plates in Florida and Florida plates in Georgia regularly.
Just curious about what your thought is here? How straight are the roads? How often do they have to be resurface or maintenance? Just because there’s a road or highway, the area must be able to support high speed rail? It even regular speed rail? Should they continue to clear swamp land in order to erect high speed rail? Is the plan here to usurp the highway for high speed rail? If so, what happens to those people who still need a vehicle in order to get where they’re going? What happens if they need that highway?
There is 4 lanes, you can remove one or two and set train tracks which don’t have a lot of constraints compared to cars due to train wheel being steel and having better adherence.
People who still need car for whatever reason can use the remaining lanes and have less trafic since train are a lot more efficient than car at moving people.
If you are woried about the swap I’m sure care exaust and tires particles which are know to damage environement a lot. Trains are electric so at least polution will be localized near power plants and thoose can be eventualy replaced by renewables.
Environmental concerns have never stopped any developed economy from doing what they want. Just look at this area on a map. These objections are not serious. The passenger rail service is trash in the US because of the automobile and hydrocarbon industries.
If the government or the billionaires really wanted to they’d just do it and fuck the Indians on repeat like every other time, it’s just a talking point and it’s not going to be”ez money” like the keystone pipeline. I wish our government gave two shits about treaties with not only the natives but anybody.
So what you’re saying is you advocate for the government to clear swampland (fuck the environment I guess), and continue to disenfranchise Native American peoples because you want high speed rail so badly?
Yeah. Yeah. I know you didn’t say that. But that’s what can be extrapolated from your assertion that the government and billionaires could if they wanted to. Don’t normalize this shit. It’s wrong for the government to seize things that don’t belong to it regardless of the purpose they plan to use if for.
“The Okefenokee Swamp is a shallow, 438,000-acre (177,000 ha), peat-filled wetland straddling the Georgia–Florida line in the United States. A majority of the swamp is protected by the Okefenokee National Wildlife Refuge and the Okefenokee Wilderness. The Okefenokee Swamp is considered to be one of the Seven Natural Wonders of Georgia and is the largest “blackwater” swamp in North America.” -Wikipedia
Add to this Indian Reservation land, National Park/Preserve/ Wildlife Refuge land, the Everglades, other swamp/marshland, etc and you start to see that there’s several environmental challenges to a rail system from Georgia to Orlando Florida.
According to gmaps there is a 4 lane highway between atlanta and orlando, I’m pretty sure you can squeeze train tracks there.
Yup. And there are several other 2 lane roads connecting Florida and Georgia to the west of the swamp. A direct line from Jacksonville to Atlanta would be challenging, but that’s not what we’re talking about here.
Orlando to Atlanta is already a direct land route, and you see Georgia plates in Florida and Florida plates in Georgia regularly.
Just curious about what your thought is here? How straight are the roads? How often do they have to be resurface or maintenance? Just because there’s a road or highway, the area must be able to support high speed rail? It even regular speed rail? Should they continue to clear swamp land in order to erect high speed rail? Is the plan here to usurp the highway for high speed rail? If so, what happens to those people who still need a vehicle in order to get where they’re going? What happens if they need that highway?
In case this is in good faith :
There is 4 lanes, you can remove one or two and set train tracks which don’t have a lot of constraints compared to cars due to train wheel being steel and having better adherence.
People who still need car for whatever reason can use the remaining lanes and have less trafic since train are a lot more efficient than car at moving people.
If you are woried about the swap I’m sure care exaust and tires particles which are know to damage environement a lot. Trains are electric so at least polution will be localized near power plants and thoose can be eventualy replaced by renewables.
Environmental concerns have never stopped any developed economy from doing what they want. Just look at this area on a map. These objections are not serious. The passenger rail service is trash in the US because of the automobile and hydrocarbon industries.
If the government or the billionaires really wanted to they’d just do it and fuck the Indians on repeat like every other time, it’s just a talking point and it’s not going to be”ez money” like the keystone pipeline. I wish our government gave two shits about treaties with not only the natives but anybody.
So what you’re saying is you advocate for the government to clear swampland (fuck the environment I guess), and continue to disenfranchise Native American peoples because you want high speed rail so badly?
Yeah. Yeah. I know you didn’t say that. But that’s what can be extrapolated from your assertion that the government and billionaires could if they wanted to. Don’t normalize this shit. It’s wrong for the government to seize things that don’t belong to it regardless of the purpose they plan to use if for.