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This is showing he’s also internally struggling to justify his position not just stating the obvious.
Exactly this. Phrases like “in my opinion” or “I think” are on some list of phrases to be avoided that everyone seemed to get at the same time like 15 years ago. Of course everything you say is your opinion or something you think, but you include those phrases to acknowledge that you are aware that you aren’t claiming to describe objective truth.
Anakin has grown up a Jedi. He is conflicted, because he knows that Obi-Wan believes the Jedi are good and that the Sith are evil. But Anakin has legitimate grievances, and he knows that his best friend and mentor cannot see beyond the Jedi bias. Anakin has been corrupted by the dark side, but the Jedi indoctrination is an equal and opposite delusion.
Of course, none of that complexity or pathos is explored in the prequels. The dialogue is shit because Lucas is bad at writing dialogue. But if you watch the Clone Wars and Rebels, those concepts are explored in much greater detail.
Bro, he genocided two separate groups of people just in the movies and the Jedi literally gain actionable spiritual guidance from the collective soul of all life.
They’re flawed and paying a price for complacency and distance from current events, not guilty of “indoctrination just as bad as the Sith from a certain point of view durr”
The Sith are the fucking Star Wars Nazis while the Jedi’s main moral flaw is killing Nazis on sight it’s not some subtle and nuanced situation.
Especially after it becomes canon that the Sith are effectively all the same person and its chosen successor.
If fucking Space Hitler and his favorite general/blood boy are immortal parasites on God Itself I’m sorry but you’re allowed to be biased against them.
Obi-Wan’s argument being rhetorically flawed doesn’t stop it from being factually correct.
I’m not saying Anakin is right. I’m saying he understands that Obi-Wan doesn’t have the same perspective. Like I said, none of it is explored in the movies, but Anakin grew up around Jedi like Dooku, Pong Krell, Mace Windu, and Bariss Offee. He saw how the Jedi betrayed his padawan Ashoka. He felt his mother’s suffering and was prohibited from saving her by the council. He was born a slave, rescued by a Jedi who cheated in a wager. Obi Wan possesses the physical high ground, but the moral high ground is much shakier from Anakin’s point of view durr.
Anakin fell to the dark side. He chose to be merciless and violent. He had no empathy for sand people or jedi children. He is not righteous. But he didn’t fall from high atop the mountain of morality. He was never all in on the Jedi code, the asceticism, the rejection of attachments and emotions, or the obedience to the wisdom of the council.
God you write so well
That’s God? I have so many questions!
I have answers. Fire away.
First off, I wanted to clarify that I meant I didn’t think you existed, not that I thought you’re liar. Also, WTF, are you asleep? Why don’t you do anything about the… gestures broadly at the world …?
The dialogue is shit because Lucas is bad at writing dialogue. But if you watch the Clone Wars and Rebels,
those[this] conceptsare[is] explored in much greater detail.FTFY
Those concepts (plural) are Anakin’s conflictions, his grievances, his corruption, and the Jedi bias/indoctrination.
That concept singular being Lucas being shit at dialogue
Lucas didn’t write for Clone Wars and Rebels. You’re not exploring his bad dialogue if you’re watching other people’s dialogue.
I wasn’t sure why the meme didn’t work for me until I read this comment. Mean I get the idea but literary concepts always took another bit for me to understand. But reading this line I see the point of the line, it still says something the audience knows but reinforces what the character is thinking.
I know it’s obvious but figured I’d say it in case I did not understand becausepoints to a previous statement.
Even if I’ll never be able to create art I do enjoy the use of understanding books and movies, I believe wall type art is beyond a real analysis in my head though.
Obi Wan: “It’s over, Anakin! I have the high ground!”
Anakin: “It’s a movie! The audience can see you have the high ground, there’s no need for pointless exposition!”
It is a weird moment. Like, if they had used that phrase in a teachable moment in an earlier scene or previous film, it might have struck as a more poignant callback to their teacher-disciple relationship.
But no, this is the first time that the audience takes a crash course in high ground advantage and we’re supposed to feel more smarter about its consequences than we actually are
Two movies ago, Obi Wan was disarmed hanging from a ledge down a hole with Darth Maul standing over him trying to get him to fall to his death. Obi Wan then performed a massive improbable jump over Maul’s head while grabbing the slain Qui Gon’s lightsaber from across the room and then slicing him in half at the waist.
It is a little dumb that the guy who pulled that move off would mention the high ground as an advantage. Though I wouldn’t remove the line “Don’t try it!” Because, having done that move on Darth Maul and probably taught it to Anakin, he’s ready for it.
They should have set it up to where it looked more like the setup with Maul, have Anakin obviously recognize the scenario and grin, Obi Wan says “Don’t try it” perhaps under his breath, Anakin jumps, Obi Wan dismembers him.
But the Star Wars prequels were written by a massive hack, so.
They should have set it up to where it looked more like the setup with Maul, have Anakin obviously recognize the scenario and grin, Obi Wan says “Don’t try it” perhaps under his breath, Anakin jumps, Obi Wan dismembers him.
This would have been instantly recognisable and so perfect in its execution! How did we not get that Star Wars
But the Star Wars prequels were written by a massive hack, so.
Yeah, right?;There should be another bit earlier on where they’re sparring and the same phrase comes up, otherwise it doesn’t really fit standard story telling patterns…
Or if Obi-Wan himself didn’t famously flip over someone to cut them in half.
From hanging on a ledge, no less, pure upper body strength and Force magic.
Lucas: Everyone says “Show, not tell.” How about I show and maclunkey.
Was the dialogue in the original trilogy as clunky as in the prequels?
IIRC his wife at the time of the originals was also someone who helped edit his scripts.
She was not involved in the prequel trilogy(they divorced)
So Lucas didn’t have someone who could actually tell him how dumb some of his stuff was, in the same way, as the originals.
It would be fantastic if his unedited scripts were ever found(they probably don’t even exist though)
You should watch it to find out!
I’ll give you a hint, one series is near universally praised and the other is defended by a small subset.
Like Robocop, I’ve seen them so many times I can quote them from beginning to end.
Well, except for ROTJ.
Yub nub.
But I can’t tell through my inch thick nostalgia glasses if the dialogues are clunky or just the right amount of cheese.
Probably the dark side of the force is clouding my judgment.
For some reason I have superimposed the HES A BIG PIG dance Timon and Puumba (sp?) do in the yub nub sequence in my memory, and this is better
And since they’re all Disney princesses it works
Oh god no. But that’s because they were simple action movies with a standard theme. They weren’t trying so hard like the rest of it.
The second one (ep V) has its moments of “deep thinking that won’t impact anything at all and ohh! action!”
The only thing I remember from my 8th grade English teacher
“Have you ever wondered how to make pancakes …”
Nope. Next. You failed your “how to” assignment
