Grok really upsets me, that’s my favorite book and although I know Mike wouldn’t hate Elon I really really hope he would. That said if you limit sources and insist on making it see through your lens you’re by definition not allowing it to grok anything.
Grok is from Robert A. Heinlein. I believe the first reference is Stranger in a Strange Land. He would probably be okay with billionaires, too. He was also a promoter of competence and critical thinking, so he might have held Elon specifically in disdain.
Mike was a billionaire, the nest had a literal pot of money that anyone could just take and do whatever.
But no he would love Elon. To grok is to understand fully, to understand is to know, to know is to love. Essentially everyone has a redeemable quality and Mike would love that part especially but also all the lesser parts and even the hard to love parts because all those other parts are part of what makes the part he truly loves.
Oh Heinlein was a stanch liberation so yeah he probably would be.
Eh don’t feel bad his name is actually Valentine Michael Smith but all his friends just call him Mike and most of the book he is referred to as Mike or Michael.
Yeah, that’s the one. If I remember the overall tone, it would be in character for him to see the collection of wealth as a response to some childhood harm that it would be better for Elon to overcome, so he could be free of its binding influence. Not that his being a billionaire was bad, but him having a compulsion to hoard wealth is harmful for his well-being.
The money bowl? It’s once he makes a church and the newspaper fella ( never remember his name) comes to visit. So like 3/4 ish of the book I suppose.
Ed: in case you meant the definition of grok.
Grok means “to understand”, of course, but Dr. Mahmoud, who might be termed the leading Terran expert on Martians, explains that it also means, “to drink” and "a hundred other English words, words which we think of as antithetical concepts. ‘Grok’ means all of these. It means ‘fear’, it means ‘love’, it means ‘hate’ — proper hate, for by the Martian ‘map’ you cannot hate anything unless you grok it, understand it so thoroughly that you merge with it and it merges with you — then you can hate it. By hating yourself. But this implies that you love it, too, and cherish it and would not have it otherwise. Then you can hate — and (I think) Martian hate is an emotion so black that the nearest human equivalent could only be called mild distaste.
I did mean the “to grok is to understand fully, to understand it to know, to know is to love”. That sounds like the Rule of One, the Ra book. Esoteric bs and all. But it made me curious if that’s where the book of Ra got it.
Yup yup. But I guess you don’t know the Rule of One material, the Ra books. It’s a very popular new age esoteric material, allegedly channeled from an entity in Venus called Ra. Its philosophy seems to be at least inspired by this Grok book. The Ra material is from the 60s.
Elon names stuff after things in The Culture, but he’s Joiler Veppers
Grok really upsets me, that’s my favorite book and although I know Mike wouldn’t hate Elon I really really hope he would. That said if you limit sources and insist on making it see through your lens you’re by definition not allowing it to grok anything.
Grok is from Robert A. Heinlein. I believe the first reference is Stranger in a Strange Land. He would probably be okay with billionaires, too. He was also a promoter of competence and critical thinking, so he might have held Elon specifically in disdain.
Yes it’s my favorite book.
Mike was a billionaire, the nest had a literal pot of money that anyone could just take and do whatever.
But no he would love Elon. To grok is to understand fully, to understand is to know, to know is to love. Essentially everyone has a redeemable quality and Mike would love that part especially but also all the lesser parts and even the hard to love parts because all those other parts are part of what makes the part he truly loves.
Ah. The “he” I was referring to was Robert. It’s been over 30 years since I read that book, and forgot the protagonist’s name?
Oh Heinlein was a stanch liberation so yeah he probably would be.
Eh don’t feel bad his name is actually Valentine Michael Smith but all his friends just call him Mike and most of the book he is referred to as Mike or Michael.
Yeah, that’s the one. If I remember the overall tone, it would be in character for him to see the collection of wealth as a response to some childhood harm that it would be better for Elon to overcome, so he could be free of its binding influence. Not that his being a billionaire was bad, but him having a compulsion to hoard wealth is harmful for his well-being.
Is that last part in the book? That’s some Ra shit 🤔
The money bowl? It’s once he makes a church and the newspaper fella ( never remember his name) comes to visit. So like 3/4 ish of the book I suppose.
Ed: in case you meant the definition of grok.
I did mean the “to grok is to understand fully, to understand it to know, to know is to love”. That sounds like the Rule of One, the Ra book. Esoteric bs and all. But it made me curious if that’s where the book of Ra got it.
Check the chain I quoted the book directly.
Yup yup. But I guess you don’t know the Rule of One material, the Ra books. It’s a very popular new age esoteric material, allegedly channeled from an entity in Venus called Ra. Its philosophy seems to be at least inspired by this Grok book. The Ra material is from the 60s.