Let’s say there is a tulip lovers club, where they talk about tulips, their variations and how to grow them. Let’s say someone new joins the club, this new person starts saying that tulips are rubbish and that roses are better or something like that. This person becomes so insistent with these statements that they end up being kicked out of the club. Before leaving, the person calls the club an “Echo Chamber” about tulips.
Would this person be right?
no. if it was a generic ‘flowers’ group that only allowed pro tulip-talk… thats an echo chamber.
like fox news (fair and balanced politics!)… only spouts pro-conservative nonsense. dissent from that is not allowed, echoing that communication (conservatives good) internally.
It’s all about execution everyone should be questioning themselves if they are correct in there thinking and creating an atmosphere of wanting to be proving wrong. If I join the group with an agenda of tearing down the group then no it’s not an echo chamber when I get kicked out. But if I join and then notice something about the tulips like they use too much water or are bad for the soil and I bring that evidence with the intent to have a good faith discussion about it. But I’m still kicked out that’s is an echo chamber.
the former is always confused for the latter; especially on lemmy.
I’m assuming this is meant to be an example of a real-world scenario, and I suspect it would be helpful to hear the actual scenario so that we can comment on the nuances of the specifics rather than wondering if the nuances of the example are relevant or not.
But, to take your example at face value: no, I don’t believe the expelled rose-lover is correct about the tulip lover’s club being an echo chamber. The tulip lover’s club is about tulips… it’s in the name, and that’s why it’s members gather there. The rose-lover is coming in talking off-topic to the point that the members of the tulip lover’s club have found it distracting. It’s nothing to do with an echo chamber. I would probably expel someone from my chess club if they showed up and constantly tried to get everyone to play monopoly instead.
Were they kicked out solely for having a differing opinion? Then it’s indisputably an echo chamber
Do the members seldom here opposing opinions outside of strawmen arguments or the occasional troll? Then it’s a defacto echo chamber
All organizations with common interests run the risk of becoming one, but the trap is particularly insidious for (and often weaponized by) online communities
