• Saapas@piefed.zip
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    There’s a shitload of hatred towards Ukrainians by Russians online. Saying they just consider them their brothers is laughable, some absolutely hate Ukrainians and want to eradicate them and erase their identity (and saying how they’re just Russians while also saying they’re pigs or something(?))

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      Why are there millions of Ukrainians living peacefully and happily in Russia alongside Russians, if Russians hate Ukrainians? Why do so many of these Ukrainians living in Russia support Russia and the SMO?

      Is it maybe because the only Ukrainians who the Russians actually hate are the Nazis who have hijacked the country of Ukraine, turned the country into a prison from which no one but the rich can leave, and brainwashed the people into hating Russians? Brainwashed them into hating themselves in fact, since a majority of Ukrainians are native Russian speakers…

      Should the Russians love these extremist fascists who murder and torture Ukrainians and Russians alike and commit terrorist acts against civilians?

      I’m not saying every single Russian is perfect or that there aren’t any who make stupid generalizations about Ukrainians, but clearly the mainstream Russian opinion and most importantly the government position, is that Ukrainians are brothers (literally, so many families have relatives on both sides of the border). The ethnic hatred hasn’t been elevated to the level of state policy there. The extremists in Russia haven’t been empowered like they have in Ukraine.

      And weren’t you claiming that the Russians are doing to Ukraine what Israel is doing to Gaza? Now you say they just want to “erase their identity”. Do the Zionists just want to turn the Palestinians into Israelis? Do they believe that Palestinians are just Israelis who have been led astray? No. They don’t even see the Palestinians as humans. They want to physically kill or remove them from the land.

      In Mariupol, Russia has rebuilt for free the local residents’ homes that were destroyed in the fighting. When is the last time Israel allowed Palestinians to even return to their homes at all, let alone rebuilt their homes that the Israelis demolished?

      Why is Ukrainian an official and protected language in the Donbass and Crimea and is even taught in schools there, if the Russians wanted to erase Ukrainian identity? Why are there streets named after Ukraine in Moscow?

      Meanwhile in Ukraine the Russian language is banned, even though it is the native language of most of Eastern Ukraine. They literally punish children for speaking Russian in schools. They burn Russian books. The Russian Orthodox Church is being attacked. History books were rewritten to glorify Nazis and vilify the Soviet liberators (many of them were Ukrainians btw). Streets and towns with Russian names were renamed, and many now bear names of Nazi collaborators. Who is trying to erase who’s identity?

      Why is it that after nearly four years of conflict involving millions of combatants in Ukraine, the conflict has one of the lowest civilian to combatant casualty ratios of any modern war? Why are there are nowhere near as many civilian casualties in all these years as there were in just the first few months of the Gaza genocide?

      Why is it that every time Israel drops a bomb they kill a dozen Palestinians, but when Russia launches entire salvos of hundreds of drones and missiles it is rare to have even one or two civilian casualties? Is it maybe because the Russians do not want to mass murder Ukrainians like the Israelis want to do to the Palestinians?

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        There’s a lot of Russians who live(d) in Ukraine. Those of course are going to be welcomed in Russia. And there’s Ukrainians who support Russia over their own country, those are going to officially be well received too. So there’s really not big disconnect between the hateful attitudes and official proparanda.

        And sometimes they treat Ukrainians as “brothers” in the sense that they’re denying their whole identity as Ukrainians.

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          There’s a lot of Russians who live(d) in Ukraine

          So every Russian-speaking Ukrainian is just a Russian? It seems it’s you who is denying Ukrainian identity.

          What exactly constitutes a Ukrainian in your opinion? Is it just someone who hates Russia? If a Ukrainian speaks Russian as their native language and likes Russia do they cease to be Ukrainian?

          And sometimes they treat Ukrainians as “brothers” in the sense that they’re denying their whole identity as Ukrainians.

          So which is it? Do they hate Ukrainians or do they think they are one and the same?

          And if they are denying Ukrainian identity, why does Ukrainian language have officially protected status in the new Russian regions, why is it offered to be taught in schools, unlike Russian language in Ukraine which is heavily suppressed? Again, who is trying to erase who’s identity?

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            So every Russian-speaking Ukrainian is just a Russian?

            Nobody claimed this

            What exactly constitutes a Ukrainian in your opinion?

            I trust their own identity and view on this one.

            So which is it? Do they hate Ukrainians or do they think they are one and the same?

            Both happen. And denying one’s identity is a pretty hateful act.

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              I trust their own identity and view on this one.

              So you can’t even tell them apart, is what you’re saying.

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                I’m saying I’m not trying to define their identity for them. I’m happy to just go with this

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                I wouldn’t be able to tell Portuguese and Brazilian people apart either. I hope that doesn’t erase their identities.