Biofuels are a scam. They get worse mileage, it takes as much energy to make as it produces, the pollution is worse, it leads to toxic chemicals from the agriculture being introduced into the environment, and it raises the price of food.
All those talking points are courtesy of gas and oil. Any farming means toxic chemicals, ethanols only take energy because renewable sources are not used for distillation, and no farming used for ethanol comes from food crops.
Most of the corn grown in the US is not edible, it is grown to make oils, sugar and plastics. Biofuels are carbon capture, the carbon released from burning is captured in a cycle for growth in the next season. But NY has several PR firms paid millions a years to counter biofuels , but in countries like Brazil where biofuels are common, people prefer E90 because of lower cost and motors lasting longer because of no gasoline burning by-products.
lol okay
I get being suspicious of oil and gas bs, but some of what you said about ethanol is just not right…
In the US most ethanol is made from corn. It’s usually field corn, not the kind you eat like corn on the cob, but it’s still part of the food system. It turns into animal feed and all the corn ingredients in processed food, so saying “no ethanol comes from food crops” doesn’t really hold up.
Also yeah you could power the distillation with renewables, cool, but that doesn’t magically fix the bigger issues people point to: growing more corn usually means more fertilizer and more runoff and more land pressure. You know how much fertilizer corn takes?
That’s not just “oil talking points,” that’s just what happens when you scale it… i’m not saying ethanol is pure evil or whatever, but dismissing the criticism as all oil propaganda is doing the same thing in reverse. It’s certainly not the climate justice solution they’ve sold it as.
It’s unfortunate the arguments are in favor of oil, but they are true, those aren’t arguments the oil companies made through their bullshit mercenary scientific outfits, those are from real studies that have been made and reported on by real scientists and do gooders over the decades. And reported in real publications, from newspapers, back when those still existed, to periodicals.
The pesticides and fertilizers from corn are not something to slough off, it’s systematic pollution at this point, and they use more and worse chemicals for the stuff that’s not for human consumption.
A good share of corn is used to make ethanol, I don’t doubt they use the leftovers from that to make plastics, that’s exactly the problem it drives food prices up taking away agricultural land by subsidizing inefficient fuel production, started during the Bush Administration by the way, the ultimate whores to big oil.
Corn oil and syrup/sugar, is for human consumption, and included in what we call food. It’s also subsidized and driving bad outcomes but that’s another story. 5% of the continental united states is corn. 5% of the total land in the lower 48 is devoted to corn. Think about that. There is only one larger crop, grass. Worthless lawns, although Idk if that is measured in land coverage or weight of the product to be honest.
Biofuels are a scam. They get worse mileage, it takes as much energy to make as it produces, the pollution is worse, it leads to toxic chemicals from the agriculture being introduced into the environment, and it raises the price of food.
All those talking points are courtesy of gas and oil. Any farming means toxic chemicals, ethanols only take energy because renewable sources are not used for distillation, and no farming used for ethanol comes from food crops.
Most of the corn grown in the US is not edible, it is grown to make oils, sugar and plastics. Biofuels are carbon capture, the carbon released from burning is captured in a cycle for growth in the next season. But NY has several PR firms paid millions a years to counter biofuels , but in countries like Brazil where biofuels are common, people prefer E90 because of lower cost and motors lasting longer because of no gasoline burning by-products.
lol okay I get being suspicious of oil and gas bs, but some of what you said about ethanol is just not right…
In the US most ethanol is made from corn. It’s usually field corn, not the kind you eat like corn on the cob, but it’s still part of the food system. It turns into animal feed and all the corn ingredients in processed food, so saying “no ethanol comes from food crops” doesn’t really hold up.
Also yeah you could power the distillation with renewables, cool, but that doesn’t magically fix the bigger issues people point to: growing more corn usually means more fertilizer and more runoff and more land pressure. You know how much fertilizer corn takes?
That’s not just “oil talking points,” that’s just what happens when you scale it… i’m not saying ethanol is pure evil or whatever, but dismissing the criticism as all oil propaganda is doing the same thing in reverse. It’s certainly not the climate justice solution they’ve sold it as.
It’s unfortunate the arguments are in favor of oil, but they are true, those aren’t arguments the oil companies made through their bullshit mercenary scientific outfits, those are from real studies that have been made and reported on by real scientists and do gooders over the decades. And reported in real publications, from newspapers, back when those still existed, to periodicals.
The pesticides and fertilizers from corn are not something to slough off, it’s systematic pollution at this point, and they use more and worse chemicals for the stuff that’s not for human consumption.
A good share of corn is used to make ethanol, I don’t doubt they use the leftovers from that to make plastics, that’s exactly the problem it drives food prices up taking away agricultural land by subsidizing inefficient fuel production, started during the Bush Administration by the way, the ultimate whores to big oil.
Corn oil and syrup/sugar, is for human consumption, and included in what we call food. It’s also subsidized and driving bad outcomes but that’s another story. 5% of the continental united states is corn. 5% of the total land in the lower 48 is devoted to corn. Think about that. There is only one larger crop, grass. Worthless lawns, although Idk if that is measured in land coverage or weight of the product to be honest.