So, lets say we get to August or some summer month, and 4,000,000 people are protesting right out front the white house.

Do they send in the tanks? Do they kill 1,000,000 people? Would republican civilians see empathy for the dead americans who were democrats? Or would it unite the nation like 9/11 did, except this time against the government?

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      Yes, there’s a chance he’d still be alive today if he did so, and there’d be at least one fewer fascist.

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        There’s a chance he would have died in a hail of gunfire, and probably gotten a lot of innocent bystanders killed as well, and a certainty that if he had survived, he would have gone to jail for the rest of his life. I don’t know what the solution is to the problems my country is facing right now, but I know for a fact that what you’re suggesting is not the solution.

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          There’s a chance he would have died in a hail of gunfire,

          He did die in a hail of gunfire.

          and probably gotten a lot of innocent bystanders killed as well,

          Do you support complete disarmament of the police and military? Or is it only with non-state actors that this concern about missed shots outweighs everything else?

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            Certainly complete disarmament of ICE. Their job is investigation misdemeanors. There’s fuck all reason for them to be armed at all.

            You don’t need a gun to investigate paperwork issues.

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              Not what I asked.

              I have respect for actual pacifists, even if I disagree with them. I don’t have respect for hypocrites who adopt pacifistic stances when it comes to non-state, working class actors but are somehow fine with the state using it.

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          The solution is working class organizing, with well-trained and disciplined people’s millitias. Pacifism gets people killed, as does adventurism. The only way out of the death spiral is revolution.

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      I’m suggesting that if it were me, and I was gonna go down either way, I’d rather die knowing that I helped rid the world of at least one of those rat bastards.

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        Pretti’s death may have turned the tide. If he had fired his weapon or even unholstered it, that would not be true.

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          No? I am under no illusions that I can stop the fascists from killing me if they want to. If five armed men kick down my door, I’m not stopping them. But I might be able to take one of them down, if I get lucky. That is, you know, how guns work. It doesn’t take badassery to pull a trigger.