I think some form needs to exist, even under communism; or else how would you earn for your labor without someone else taking your work and exploiting it?
I agree it should be like 10 years though, and infringement shouldn’t be some wild number, takedowns 100% should not be “shoot first ask questions later”, etc
I imagine communism as a system where we have a central free open knowledge base. Everything, every idea is there, so if you add yours it is you who added it and nobody can say they were it
I imagine it as a mix of git and science papers, I imagine a reputation based system of trust, changes are logged and there is always a documentation on what was changed and why
On the same system, you could as well do voting and stuff
The clue to this setup is, that there is no entity controlling it, but all of that is built upon “smart-contracts” stored (or at least the hashes of the changes) on a ledger, every person alive has their unique wallet/ID (like a birth certificate), so you can setup voting without an entity that is able to abuse it’s power
You could setup all laws like this
And to the argument that nobody would work, if they could not earn more than others doing nothing: no human ever does nothing, we are bored of nothing, we would get creative and innovative (as you see with FOSS stuff for example)
It would be a beautiful world where people would take time to create unbelievable art and others would invent mind blowing tech just for good representation and cheering of the community
After all, people want to be admired, and this is just as effective as money to motivate. You see that in the SCENE, but on many more levels as well
It only breaks if people are forced to screw others over in order to get food and sleep, in order to survive.
Communism means a moneyless society. There is no “earning for your labor” anymore and in turn no real loss for the artist that prevents them from having access to basic necessities, nor any real incentive for others to illegally copy someone’s work in the first place. So no, communism doesn’t really need any kind of copyright. Making it mandatory to credit the original artist could be mandatory, but that’s about it.
Though I do agree with your second paragraph for the time being, where money earned through labor is required to survive.
What’s to keep Disney from poaching everyone’s ideas? IP protection isn’t a bad thing in itself. IP protection in perpetuity is the problem. 10-20 years seems fair.
Ideas are not products of individuals, but of societies. Artists and intellectuals need copyright nowdays because those jobs usually lead you to starvation under capitalism (no, i dont consider academics as a good example of intellectuals). And history is full of irony, because it will probably be capitalism that will take copyright down because its an obstacle to developing AI
That would just further disenfranchise creators, most of whom don’t make much (if any) money. Why would corporations fork out money for rights to stories/scripts/music when they can wait 10 years and get it for free? We have enough issues currently with corps stealing our IP to train their AIs, and then regurgitate almost exact copies to directly compete against us.
I think no matter which way you went smaller creators would get ground under heel but 10 years would be way too short. I don’t think the people downvoting you really thought about this. The Way of Kings was published in 2010. Brandon Sanderson would’ve lost the copyright in 2020. I can guarantee that some corporation would rather wait and not have to pay him to create a movie immediately as the copyright expired. I’m sure there are tons of other scenarios that I’m not thinking of but larger organizations will always be able to work the system better than smaller creators.
Copyright laws are stupid. Copyright should expire the same way patents expire, after 10 years.
Copyright should not exist. You cant fence ideas. This bs only serves capitalists
I think some form needs to exist, even under communism; or else how would you earn for your labor without someone else taking your work and exploiting it?
I agree it should be like 10 years though, and infringement shouldn’t be some wild number, takedowns 100% should not be “shoot first ask questions later”, etc
I imagine communism as a system where we have a central free open knowledge base. Everything, every idea is there, so if you add yours it is you who added it and nobody can say they were it
I imagine it as a mix of git and science papers, I imagine a reputation based system of trust, changes are logged and there is always a documentation on what was changed and why
On the same system, you could as well do voting and stuff
The clue to this setup is, that there is no entity controlling it, but all of that is built upon “smart-contracts” stored (or at least the hashes of the changes) on a ledger, every person alive has their unique wallet/ID (like a birth certificate), so you can setup voting without an entity that is able to abuse it’s power
You could setup all laws like this
And to the argument that nobody would work, if they could not earn more than others doing nothing: no human ever does nothing, we are bored of nothing, we would get creative and innovative (as you see with FOSS stuff for example)
It would be a beautiful world where people would take time to create unbelievable art and others would invent mind blowing tech just for good representation and cheering of the community
After all, people want to be admired, and this is just as effective as money to motivate. You see that in the SCENE, but on many more levels as well
It only breaks if people are forced to screw others over in order to get food and sleep, in order to survive.
Communism means a moneyless society. There is no “earning for your labor” anymore and in turn no real loss for the artist that prevents them from having access to basic necessities, nor any real incentive for others to illegally copy someone’s work in the first place. So no, communism doesn’t really need any kind of copyright. Making it mandatory to credit the original artist could be mandatory, but that’s about it.
Though I do agree with your second paragraph for the time being, where money earned through labor is required to survive.
Noo no, if ppl dont retire off working once, how will you sell ppl the fantasy of easy retirement off one lucky opportunity
What’s to keep Disney from poaching everyone’s ideas? IP protection isn’t a bad thing in itself. IP protection in perpetuity is the problem. 10-20 years seems fair.
Ideas are not products of individuals, but of societies. Artists and intellectuals need copyright nowdays because those jobs usually lead you to starvation under capitalism (no, i dont consider academics as a good example of intellectuals). And history is full of irony, because it will probably be capitalism that will take copyright down because its an obstacle to developing AI
Yeah, you can’t fence ideas using copyright, that’s what patents are for.
That would just further disenfranchise creators, most of whom don’t make much (if any) money. Why would corporations fork out money for rights to stories/scripts/music when they can wait 10 years and get it for free? We have enough issues currently with corps stealing our IP to train their AIs, and then regurgitate almost exact copies to directly compete against us.
I think no matter which way you went smaller creators would get ground under heel but 10 years would be way too short. I don’t think the people downvoting you really thought about this. The Way of Kings was published in 2010. Brandon Sanderson would’ve lost the copyright in 2020. I can guarantee that some corporation would rather wait and not have to pay him to create a movie immediately as the copyright expired. I’m sure there are tons of other scenarios that I’m not thinking of but larger organizations will always be able to work the system better than smaller creators.
Copyright in the US used to be 17 years + an additional 17 years if the holder applied fpr an extension.
34 years to commercialize a franchise is plenty
And I think that would be better, 10 would be too short.