cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/44201302

Governments will change, people on the top might change. The question is whether they will face any consequences for their actions. Will the US as a whole face any consequence of its actions. Like the consequences other countries face when they do the stuff America is doing right now.

Or will it be back to normal as soon as the regime changes.

Will there be any lasting effects in how the world deals with US?

  • DigitalDilemma@lemmy.ml
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    Individual consequences, maybe, but not for some time. Consequences require law. The USA has made one person untouchable by law who can override any action without consequence, and they have misused that literally hundreds or thousands of times in freeing others convicted by court and jury. To quote Martin Luther King, “True peace is not merely the absence of tension: it is the presence of justice.” and “It is not possible to be in favor of justice for some people and not be in favor of justice for all people.” The USA does not have a working justice system. (And given how many apparently guilty people have walked free because they are rich in the past, possibly never has)

    As a nation: The US has already weakened itself significantly in just a year, both nationally and internationally. Every historical ally the US had has been repeatedly abused and ridiculed by the person they chose to represent them. The damage from this will take decades to heal, if ever.

    What it’s really exposed is how weak America’s much celebrated democracy is. That it can be subverted by a small minority who have systematically removed all effective opposition is surprising, and has made other democracies thoughtfully consider their own systems. The internet and social media has played a big part in this - we’ve seen tools of tribalism and hate used many times before, but never at such scale and speed as is possible now, and it’s caught the entire world unprepared.

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    11 hours ago

    Maybe not a direct punishment for all the atrocities they commit. But for committing economic blunder after economic blunder they will eventually collapse as an empire.

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    I doubt it will ever feel a consequence in the form of a punishment from another country. But I hope its inevitable collapse might be seen as a consequence.

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    This is literally the definition of a superpower. Authorities are able to do things with little consequences anyone else would pay a heavy price for.

    To get into such a position a nation must lose part of its humanity to become a emotionless machine.

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      To get into such a position a nation must lose part of its humanity to become a emotionless machine.

      Very well said! This is the exact impression I get from countries that are at the top of the economical hierarchy

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    It depends on the American. The rich and powerful will be immune to consequences. I’m an American and I’m not too far away from losing my house and I’m currently skipping meals because I can’t find full time work.

    America’s first victims will always be the closest.

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      12 hours ago

      Aready is. Their strategy is longer than four years so it just doesn’t seem so obvious, but they’re slowly and steadily gaining more control of the globe than any other country.

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      18 hours ago

      Yeah, internal tensions leading to a civil war is probably the only way the US could lose it’s dominance in the coming years.

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        More than anything, the drop in superprofits from imperialism is heightening the contradictions in Statesian class society. Hopefully a revolution can happen.

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        16 hours ago

        The US doesn’t really have any allies anymore and is quickly losing its dominance already

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    In the relative short term, the answer is no. The US is too powerful relative to everyone else, this will likely not change until the EU becomes more of an equal than it currently is. This might not be the direct causal reason for the consequences, the US will face, but the time it will take for the consequences to manifest themselves are just that long, unfortunately.

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    It won’t exist, in 8 years.

    Civil War Part2: confederate reverse-takeover & vengeance

    the war of annexing Canada & using Greenland to enforce that annexation ( severing Canada’s EU-lifeline & using Alaska & Greenland to seal-off Canada from ALL international-trade, to break our life quicker )

    the imperial-expansion wars into Central & South America…

    Because of a fundamental-fact of human unconscious-mind/pyschology: destroyer-rage has MASSIVE advantage over responsible-sanity, for the 1st while,

    the destroyer-regime’ll keep “winning” until it implodes.

    I expect Netanyahu to nuke Iran when Trump gets fed-up & ditches Netanyahu, … within a month?

    & Netanyahu would then be wanting to nuke ALL Muslim countries, the MINUTE they launch retaliation against his “Israel”,

    so the Middle East’s likely to be radioactive, soon, like Chyernoble’s region…

    That’ll leave Trump free to concentrate on destroying all civilrights in the Americas, without any distraction.

    Which will remove ALL backing from the EU.

    China needs the West broken, so they’ll make Putin an offer he can’t refuse, since he’s economically-powerless, now:

    China supplants Russian gov’t, & Putin’ll be allowed to keep warring against Europe all he wants, with whatever lives he can scrounge, so long as they aren’t CCP lives.

    He’ll agree.

    Asia, ditched completely by the West, will be on China’s plate.

    Then about 7y of that Regional Consolidation Stage go on, until the “Caucasian Serpent Time” is finished.

    I expect Trump to be replaced about 1/2-way-through that 7y cycle, by Musk.

    Putin may be replaced too, if that’s what China needs, in their “Russia” vassal-state.

    ( “Caucasian Serpent Time” you can ask the Indigenous People about, & some of them will understand, probably having heard of the “White Serpent Time”: it’s the same thing, just with slightly-different terminology. Different traditions use different labels, is all )

    So, 7+y from today, the Americas Wars implode, & the wasteland remaining has to be rebuilt, but … China’d be IDIOTIC to NOT launch EVERYTHING their then-empire’s got, against the West, wouldn’t they?

    They are not idiotic.

    That is the “CCP Serpent Time”, aka the “Red Serpent Time”.

    It lasts about 4+decades…

    Exactly as Ukraine NOW is TOUGHER than it was 5y-ago, so-too will the West, as a whole, in 7y, what’s left of it…

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