since early teenagehood. though when my country elected an actual fascist i scrambled to learn more about it, and that’s what solidified my position as a socialist.
They don’t always write the laws, sometimes they let lobbyists do that and pass them without reading
Never because of the term all.
Just now! Thank you for youre inside knowledge!
2023
Around 12 when I started reading communist and black panther literature.
Late 70’s, just after I started working. My then Union rep. ( Remember them?) was a good teacher and saw Thatcher for exactly what she was.
2008 was when the conclusion was unavoidable
The Iraq invasion and all the Halliburton bullshit was when I began to realize that the justice system truly has two separate tracks.
2016
I guess I haven’t yet. Maybe you can help me: How do laws against, for example, rape, only benefit the rich while oppressing the rest of us?
No way you haven’t heard about Epstein and friends.
No way you haven’t read the other replies to my comment.
They are enforced against poors. While rich rapists walk free.
That has certainly been the case in some places, though by no means all of them. Enforcement is also a separate issue to the law itself.
But to provide some maybe better examples, do laws that enshrine workers’ rights to form a union only serve to benefit the rich? Laws that limit donations to political parties? I really don’t think you can make that argument for all laws.
Then that’s not a problem with the law, but with enforcement.
If there was whatever glorious socialist revolution tomorrow, that law would stay.
My guy, the institution of law and its enforcement cannot be studied in isolation of one another. They’re both different arms of the same state. And the state represents the Bourgeoise, so there’s loopholes and bribes that keep the rich from facing punishment that the poors are subjected to for far minor crimes.
This honestly feels like arguing over semantics while trying to obfuscate the point being made
Donald Trump violently raped his ex-wife because his hair plugs hurt. She was bruised for days, according to her book.
He saw no jail time. Not even a charge.
Not one Epstein Client has seen jail time.
The vast majority of cases against the Affluent fail to secure jail time, if they’re even brought at all.
In many cases it is not that the laws are written in a way that precludes prosecution, however they are written in a way knowing it is unlikely to ever bring prosecution against those in the Epstein class.
The US is a hellhole with a billionaire class living above the law, sure, not arguing with that. I guess maybe I should have assumed US defaultism for this question.
But OP made a blanket statement about all laws, and didn’t specify a country either. If your username is any indication you’re a Marxist. How do you think a Marxist state would work without laws?
One can assume they’re drawing from current material conditions, and not meaning to disparage the theoretical platonic form of ‘laws;’ specifically the fact that it doesn’t matter which country you pick (with few exceptions that do try their best), under capitalism those with capital statistically make the laws, and specifically make them to bind the working class while not expecting them to ever affect themselves.
Now one could argue all laws that could possibly exist do this to some extent. And some people would think you’re correct, but realistically the word society is synonymous with rules, which itself is synonymous with laws, so no one seriously believes that any group of more than one person would exist without some level of legality; though that last line itself is incredibly contentious given the hang up some people have on 'if there are laws then surely there must be a state to enact and enforce them – and to those people I say actually read your literature, either anarchism or communism.
Social cohesion is important for a smoothly running business. Unpunished rape creates problems on the shop room floor. Or to put it another way, rape gets punished extrajudicially in ways that are not good for business or social cohesion in general.
12 maybe 13. I’m 38 now.
Few years ago. Right before this phase of the genocide in Palestine. I had an idea of it before that but I wouldn’t have called it a conscious thought until then.
Are you from the US by any chance?
There’s literally not a law or crime the rich can’t buy them selves out of.
Late nineties.
1890s or 1790s?
Late 80s here
Reagan was a fucking cunt.
