• Jhex@lemmy.world
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      1 day ago

      and this is why the gov doesn’t spy on its ciizens anymore and everyone lived happily ever after… my sweet summer child

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        I’m responding to the claim that Americans did nothing. It might be the case that there is illegal government surveillance going on today, but there is no evidence for that in any leaks, particularly not Snowden’s. If there is illegal government surveillance that we learn about later, the takeaway from the Snowden saga is that Americans will take action to shut it down.

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          might be the case

          Everybody knows the U.S. is a massive surveillance state still. They literally have renewed FISA every year. And I know, it’s supposed to be for foreign spying. But you’d have to be a naive child to think they abide by the law.

          Nevermind all the spying Meta, Google, and windows do. And the government just buys up that data on people as if it were candy in a gas station.

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            11 hours ago

            But you’d have to be a naive child to think they abide by the law.

            If they didn’t abide by the law, surely there would be evidence for it in the massive trove of documents that Snowden released.

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              Are you trying to be intentionally obtuse? You seriously think governments don’t lie…you trust them? Then there’s nothing to discuss.

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                Where did I say my beliefs were from government statements? My comment only mentioned leaks. How do leaks lie? Are you implying Snowden was in on a conspiracy where he only leaked documents that made it look like the government was following the law in order to pull the wool over our eyes? I have to admit, that is a new one to me.