In Finland we have “Everyman’s Right” which is the right to access nature on private land without needing the owner’s permission.
You can walk, hike, cycle, swim, pick berries/mushrooms, and camp temporarily, as long as you stay away from homes, gardens, and cultivated fields. Making a fire is however not allowed without permission.
Yes I’ve heard of that and I’m happy for you all over there.
But are you allowed to just lay around doing nothing in a public space?
Whatever the case, laying around doing nothing in public is pretty much illegal in the United states. It’s considered loitering, which is a crime. Except for on beaches.
My friend was thinking about buying a house in one of the suburban neighborhoods, and once went there to walk around and see if he likes it (as if he could distinguish one suburban neighborhood from another). He had cops called on him, and they threatened to cite him for loitering. For walking on public sidewalks.
Can you clarify: your friend isn’t white and took a walk in some known for being ultra white pieces of shit neighborhood (he never knew about it, because what for, in healthy person’s mind) and some dudes or gals saw him out of the windows of their caves and took preventive measures against… dreadful sidewalking crime? And cops were [n]ice scum and they were ultra chinazi kkk?
0 sarcasm here unfortunately btw
Just curious about em details
The fun part is, he’s white af, not American by birth, but white. Nobody told him why he was harassed, cops just told him that loitering is a crime, asked him where he lives and where his car is, and checked that he actually drives away.
This is very exemplarily story. It shows us that race or any other differences between people never were the real problems. Problems are psychopathic schizophrenics with dementia who think they’re irreplaceable wise rulers of everything.
This is a single anecdote, it doesn’t show anything. Statistically, this happens to people of colour way more than white people, so the racism is also a big problem.
Technically true, but iny entire life, I’ve never known anyone who’s gotten a ticket for loitering.
Loitering is one of those "catch all’ laws, that cops can pull out in almost any situation if they want to escalate. If they want to give you a hard time for running your mouth, they can always hit you for Loitering or Resisting Arrest.
Well yeah, even here in the UK the police or anyone won’t bother if you’re just sitting somewhere in public and not causing a breach of the peace… I mean when the sun eventually comes out, you’ll see people laid out on every available bit of green space to soak it up.
Don’t lump the entire country in with wherever you are, because I can go to plenty of places within walking distance of my home – in the United States – and just hang out, hard, and it’s fine.
In Finland we have “Everyman’s Right” which is the right to access nature on private land without needing the owner’s permission.
You can walk, hike, cycle, swim, pick berries/mushrooms, and camp temporarily, as long as you stay away from homes, gardens, and cultivated fields. Making a fire is however not allowed without permission.
As a side note fact they changed it to “everyone’s rights” (jokamiehenoikeudet -> jokaisenoikeudet) recently
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Yes I’ve heard of that and I’m happy for you all over there.
But are you allowed to just lay around doing nothing in a public space?
Whatever the case, laying around doing nothing in public is pretty much illegal in the United states. It’s considered loitering, which is a crime. Except for on beaches.
It’s much more nuanced than that. What is illegal is:
Simply just hanging out in public is perfectly legal.
My friend was thinking about buying a house in one of the suburban neighborhoods, and once went there to walk around and see if he likes it (as if he could distinguish one suburban neighborhood from another). He had cops called on him, and they threatened to cite him for loitering. For walking on public sidewalks.
Can you clarify: your friend isn’t white and took a walk in some known for being ultra white pieces of shit neighborhood (he never knew about it, because what for, in healthy person’s mind) and some dudes or gals saw him out of the windows of their caves and took preventive measures against… dreadful sidewalking crime? And cops were [n]ice scum and they were ultra chinazi kkk? 0 sarcasm here unfortunately btw Just curious about em details
The fun part is, he’s white af, not American by birth, but white. Nobody told him why he was harassed, cops just told him that loitering is a crime, asked him where he lives and where his car is, and checked that he actually drives away.
This is very exemplarily story. It shows us that race or any other differences between people never were the real problems. Problems are psychopathic schizophrenics with dementia who think they’re irreplaceable wise rulers of everything.
Wishing all the best to you and your friend.
This is a single anecdote, it doesn’t show anything. Statistically, this happens to people of colour way more than white people, so the racism is also a big problem.
Technically true, but iny entire life, I’ve never known anyone who’s gotten a ticket for loitering.
Loitering is one of those "catch all’ laws, that cops can pull out in almost any situation if they want to escalate. If they want to give you a hard time for running your mouth, they can always hit you for Loitering or Resisting Arrest.
Well yeah, even here in the UK the police or anyone won’t bother if you’re just sitting somewhere in public and not causing a breach of the peace… I mean when the sun eventually comes out, you’ll see people laid out on every available bit of green space to soak it up.
Your legal system seems very… antisocial?
I loved summer in the UK. It was a very nice week-end. Cheers
Don’t lump the entire country in with wherever you are, because I can go to plenty of places within walking distance of my home – in the United States – and just hang out, hard, and it’s fine.
In Norway anywhere in nature 100 meters from houses is free reign. Just leave it as you found it.
Define “doing nothing”'. I’m actually working on my PhD as we speak. Standing around is part of my process