So I feel almost everyone on PieFed/Lemmy/Mbin is against AI, therefor FuckAI is such a big community and so on, and I’m a bit afraid to ask but is there any AI user community on Lemmy where they discuss Harnesses, Agents, recent news and political development out side of FuckAI?
I use it as a cool tool, it helps me implement a lot of small project for which I wouldn’t have had time as a dad with a full time job. And I’d like to discuss those things on Lemmy but everywhere I look it’s just FuckAI.
I’m not sure when you mean no one does what I described. Running a local AI? Ollama is huge, running small models for simple queries is trivial nowadays.
Like I said, I’m not disregarding the costs that went into making the model. Whether I use it or not, it exists and nothing will change that. I did not ask for it to be made, neither did I ask for a tree to be felled to make the grip of my hammer, or for resin to be cast into the table I found at Goodwill, or for any other wonderfully horrid example of the worst humanity has to offer. We live in the mess offered to us, and we as a community can come together to make it better. What we can do as a community is help fund ethically trained models and reduce the reliance on the giant data centers.
I think you might be able to tell where my edible hit in that ramble.
I’m saying that “no one” runs a local, green-powered model, like yeah a handful of people probably do but they have no impact at all.
And when you start with the mentality of the “it’s there so why not use it”, you are much more prone to let more happen. If when someone gets murdered, everyone reacts by just mourning and not trying to find out who did it, and to prevent further murders, things won’t get better.
AIs need to be fought with the strongest force or they’ll win. That’s why you already see a split between “no AI here” places, and “oh yeah I’m just using AIs for this and this and that, but reasonably, and I also tried generating images but just for fun, and I made a slopsoftware just to be quicker, and I’m using it more because it frees my time, etc”.
It’s a slippery slope argument, you might say, but we’re seeing it happen. People slowly accept AIs, just like they slowly accept capitalism, just like they accept fascism, and just like they accept all those brain-killing things that are hammered into their heads by everyone around. The only way to resist is to unequivocally reject it, not tolerate exceptions, and once the problem is solved, once AIs are green and powered by the wind, we can have fun running our local models and whatnot.
TLDR: I get your point, but I think it’s a position that is very vulnerable to being corrupted, and the state of the world, including FOSS software and the like, seem to support my point of view.
It’s hard to take your argument seriously when you can’t even imagine that plenty of people are already running local models with renewable energy already. I’d love to see where you’re getting “no one” from, or even just a handful.
Slippery slope arguments are a child’s argument. You can throw literally any problem on there and say “Watch what happens when people abuse the system!” Eating a chip is a slippery slope to having a heart attack. Driving a car is a slippery slope towards everyone getting race cars and killing everyone they see.
Heck, I haven’t even touched on my thoughts on what I believe are the right ways to use AI (Screw using AI to make images, write stories, etc. Creative works should be human made)
Anyways, you seem set in your doomer view of the future. I do not agree with your view of FOSS software somehow supporting your position, as I see nothing but a large growing (and thriving) community making the world a better place. I’ll not change your mind so I’ll stop the conversation here.
As I said, they exist, they just have no impact.
A slippery slope is a had argument, but my point here was that we are visibly on the slope. We see more and more people tolerate AIs, including shit like slopcoding and slopart and the like. You can even see it on lemmy, which is probably one of the most AI-hostile places you’ll find. It’s more like starting to have heart problems after eating chips everyday, and thinking “heh, it’ll be fine, I’m not going to have a heart attack”. The opposite of the slippery slope, assuming that everything will be fine no matter what, is not more logical.
And good for you, but you’re a tiny minority. Your point of view is not shared by most AI users, even on lemmy.
Yeah, well you do you. It doesn’t take a long time looking at how the world is evolving to have a view of what’s coming.