So I feel almost everyone on PieFed/Lemmy/Mbin is against AI, therefor FuckAI is such a big community and so on, and I’m a bit afraid to ask but is there any AI user community on Lemmy where they discuss Harnesses, Agents, recent news and political development out side of FuckAI?
I use it as a cool tool, it helps me implement a lot of small project for which I wouldn’t have had time as a dad with a full time job. And I’d like to discuss those things on Lemmy but everywhere I look it’s just FuckAI.
It’s being developed to destroy the objective sense of truth we’ve enjoyed since photography began that has spurred all of our civil rights growth. You will find no love for it here.
Anyone can spin up their own Lemmy instance and discuss whatever the hell they want, it’s a free Fediverse. There’s bound to be a few AI bros hanging out somewhere.
I am one of those who spun up his Lemmy/PieFed instance so this post was to get help finding those “AI bros” somewhere, the federated search is not very helpful yet.
They’re on db0.
I looked through their local communities but I’m not sure where you’ve seen any AI communities there https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/communities (I see some stable diffusion ones, but those are not related with my question).
If the search worked, it might be easier to find them, tho most of them do not have “AI” included in the com name. They’re all named for the model they are focused on. Stable Diffusion, Perchance, Kobold, etc.
I know they exist becsuse the mod of all of them goes around banning people who have never even posted in them.
Honestly, you may want to look for a place outside Lemmy etc. There are many platforms you can find that have plenty of pro AI people, here is not one of them.
I never thought about it until this post. Honestly so refreshing and I’m at peace.
It’s so nice to know that whatever I’m looking at around here it’s very unlikely to be AI. And whatever person I’m talking to is most likely not a bot.
Is your project worth destroying the world? Or is it that as a dad with a full time job, you consider that you’ll die before seeing the consequences that will torture and kill your kids, and so it’s not your concern?
Everywhere it’s just fuck AI because it’s the modern plague, so it’s a pretty good sign that you’re struggling to find people who like AI here.
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Here’s an honest question that I wonder about every once in a while. If I’m running a fully local model at home on my server, and my electricity comes largely from hydroelectric dams, am I contributing to the demise of the world? I watch the power usage when I run it, and I waste more power sitting idle in Final Fantasy 14 for a few minutes while using the bathroom than I do running a local AI.
To be clear, I am not disregarding the absolute horrors that our capitalistic overlords are wreaking on our world in the creation of these models, or the ethical concerns of where the training data came from. Those sins are on their heads.
If the model is pretrained, then you are just outsourcing the main costs. Running the model isn’t the most expensive part.
And let’s face it, no one does what you described, and the ones that do are not the ones going around defending the other ways to use AIs.
Interestingly I was looking for a AI community so I could find a model which would run on my phone: https://piefed.jeena.net/post/373420 and I found one with help of that community.
I’m not sure when you mean no one does what I described. Running a local AI? Ollama is huge, running small models for simple queries is trivial nowadays.
Like I said, I’m not disregarding the costs that went into making the model. Whether I use it or not, it exists and nothing will change that. I did not ask for it to be made, neither did I ask for a tree to be felled to make the grip of my hammer, or for resin to be cast into the table I found at Goodwill, or for any other wonderfully horrid example of the worst humanity has to offer. We live in the mess offered to us, and we as a community can come together to make it better. What we can do as a community is help fund ethically trained models and reduce the reliance on the giant data centers.
I think you might be able to tell where my edible hit in that ramble.
I’m saying that “no one” runs a local, green-powered model, like yeah a handful of people probably do but they have no impact at all.
And when you start with the mentality of the “it’s there so why not use it”, you are much more prone to let more happen. If when someone gets murdered, everyone reacts by just mourning and not trying to find out who did it, and to prevent further murders, things won’t get better.
AIs need to be fought with the strongest force or they’ll win. That’s why you already see a split between “no AI here” places, and “oh yeah I’m just using AIs for this and this and that, but reasonably, and I also tried generating images but just for fun, and I made a slopsoftware just to be quicker, and I’m using it more because it frees my time, etc”.
It’s a slippery slope argument, you might say, but we’re seeing it happen. People slowly accept AIs, just like they slowly accept capitalism, just like they accept fascism, and just like they accept all those brain-killing things that are hammered into their heads by everyone around. The only way to resist is to unequivocally reject it, not tolerate exceptions, and once the problem is solved, once AIs are green and powered by the wind, we can have fun running our local models and whatnot.
TLDR: I get your point, but I think it’s a position that is very vulnerable to being corrupted, and the state of the world, including FOSS software and the like, seem to support my point of view.
It’s hard to take your argument seriously when you can’t even imagine that plenty of people are already running local models with renewable energy already. I’d love to see where you’re getting “no one” from, or even just a handful.
Slippery slope arguments are a child’s argument. You can throw literally any problem on there and say “Watch what happens when people abuse the system!” Eating a chip is a slippery slope to having a heart attack. Driving a car is a slippery slope towards everyone getting race cars and killing everyone they see.
Heck, I haven’t even touched on my thoughts on what I believe are the right ways to use AI (Screw using AI to make images, write stories, etc. Creative works should be human made)
Anyways, you seem set in your doomer view of the future. I do not agree with your view of FOSS software somehow supporting your position, as I see nothing but a large growing (and thriving) community making the world a better place. I’ll not change your mind so I’ll stop the conversation here.
As I said, they exist, they just have no impact.
A slippery slope is a had argument, but my point here was that we are visibly on the slope. We see more and more people tolerate AIs, including shit like slopcoding and slopart and the like. You can even see it on lemmy, which is probably one of the most AI-hostile places you’ll find. It’s more like starting to have heart problems after eating chips everyday, and thinking “heh, it’ll be fine, I’m not going to have a heart attack”. The opposite of the slippery slope, assuming that everything will be fine no matter what, is not more logical.
And good for you, but you’re a tiny minority. Your point of view is not shared by most AI users, even on lemmy.
Yeah, well you do you. It doesn’t take a long time looking at how the world is evolving to have a view of what’s coming.
I’m sure preventing people from talking about AI on Lemmy will stop that plague really quickly.
I have never seen such blatent censorship about a subject than AI on Lemmy. I dont care about AI so whatever but really stopping people to talk about a subject is the most stupid solution to a problem.
Putting it under the rug will not work.
What do you mean? You’re talking about it now, your comment has not been censored and neither has the post. Having an unpopular opinion and being downvoted for it is not censorship.
What is my “unpopular opinion” in my comment ?
All I see is me saying that no subjects should be downvotes just for their subject rather than a disagreement on a unpopular opinion.
I’m not saying you should not downvote content you disagree with. I’m saying that no matter what is said about AI it’s getting downvoted for the sole reason that it is about AI.
Again I was not expressing a clearly unpopular opinion around here that AI is good, yet I’m still downvoted just because that conversation is AI adjacent…
I sure hope saying all subjects should be freely talked about as long as its within the rules of that instance is not an unpopular opinion.
And yes, I do think massive downvotes for not even taking a stance or an opinion on a matter is a pretty big disruption of discourse.
Nobody’s preventing it really. There’s a difference between top-down censorship and cultural “we don’t do that here”.
Every idiot ever when their opinion is shut down due to the consequences of it being a shit opinion: “BuT mUh FreE SpeEcH tHis iS CenSorShiP”
True, but promoting AI will make it worse. What’s the lesser of two evils in this situation?
I never talked about promoting it.
Just letting people talk about it without immediately downvoting it.
So many snowflakes here. Especially the lemmy admins. Piefed FTW.
The only one I currently follow is !localllama@sh.itjust.works
I’m not anti-AI, but I am very much anti Big AI and also don’t personally care for AI-generated images (they just look…uncanny to me), so I don’t have much interest in anything beyond the tools I can run locally.
Searching “AI” has a lot of false positives, but searching “llama” has some results at https://lemmyverse.net/communities?query=llama
For all the negativity and downvotes I got for asking the question, I’m still happy that I did because you pointed me to the right direction, I asked my question there https://piefed.jeena.net/c/localllama@sh.itjust.works/p/373420/good-translation-models-which-fit-on-a-smartphone and I got really good answers, especially someone in https://piefed.jeena.net/post/373420#comment_5964474 pointing to https://github.com/DavidVentura/offline-translator which is a on device translation app and this app exposes an API (see ITranslationService.aidl) that other apps can use to request translations, so I can use it to get really good translation results for my SMS automatically without sending them to any cloud!
Nice. I’ve pretty much just used LibreTranslate for that, but will check that out and see if it works any better.
Every other platform has an AI space, feel free to destroy the environment and employment opportunities there.
We have comms around open-weight and open sourced GenAI tech on our instance. You can start on !stable_diffusion@lemmy.dbzer0.com
just do a search of communities. Im not that into it so I have not but I see ai postitive ones show. Im not sure the percentages negative to positive but to me the really small group is the in between. There are really strong opinions that are way negative on the whole thing and way positive. Honestly you see that on almost all things in the fediverse. You don’t often see it has some capability and its capability has grown and it will likely continue to do things but its limited and it may never be able to get over certain limitations. Now granted on thing is that folks in the center can read an ai bad type post and agree with a variety of bad things and also respond to an ai good and say yeah this and this is good. So maybe they seem so small because they just don’t post as much nuance. Heck the google installing nano on chrome post got two comments bitching like it was some kind of hit piece on ai in general.
just do a search of communities
Funny because AI is killing intellectual work, and OP shows that he can’t make a basic search on a simple forum. He is typically the kind of people who should stop using AI.
well we all know the federation search is not perfect but I think I have found it before from my instance. its possible his is not getting enough federation or something find it. I was being lazy though and figure he might respond back if the search was getting him no where and then I would get off my but and look again. im 100% I have seen both positive and negative ai communities though.
I’m on a single user instance (as anyone interested can figure out quickly clicking on my username) which means there is no “All” only the things I subscribe to. Most of the new communities I find by subscribing to !newcommunities@lemmy.world
I did a search for AI and harness, agents, etc. on my instance but because it only shows what I’m already subscribed to it shows news articles and stuff, no discussions. I also us ed https://lemmyverse.net/communities?query=AI which didn’t show any AI communities
But in the first row showed !asklemmy@lemmy.world and I thought, perhaps I should. But reading their Rule #5:
- This is not a support community. It is not a place for ‘how do I?’, type questions. If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email info@lemmy.world. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function. And it was a question about Lemmy itself - finding the right community to post my questions about AI - I didn’t want to break the rule and then the post would have been deleted quickly anyway.
This is where I remembered the !nostupidquestions@lemmy.world community and figured it’s in the name, so people will probably be fairly forgiving about the nature of the question, but boy was I wrong :D
Anyway, like I wrote further up https://piefed.jeena.net/post/372887#comment_5967551 I’m still happy I did post the question because there were people pointing me to the right direction and I could ask my burning question there and even gotten really good answers which solved my problem.
Entering “artificial intelligence” in my instance’s community search gave me a few like: !ai_@lemmy.world !machinelearning@lemmy.world !gai@sopuli.xyz !artificialintelligence@lemmy.sdf.org !Aii@programming.dev !artificial_intelligence@lemmy.world
There is also one in German: !kintelligenz@feddit.org
thank you for the blocklist
Try Reddit
nostr has a lot of ai and vibe coder bros. I got creeped out and left though.
Damn man I know it’s no stupid questions… But just God damn! You did it. You managed to ask a stupid question.
I was looking hard where it would fit in best ^^
You likely need to use a instance that doesn’t de-federate them, or search for them if they aren’t de-federated.
I have my own single user instance, because I knew I didn’t want to be dependent on someone else to decide for me what I should and shouldn’t be able to interact with on the Threadyverse.
But that also means I have to actively subscribe to communities and don’t get the organic All feed populated by other people.
You could use a second account on an instance that federates with everyone for discovery.
