So I feel almost everyone on PieFed/Lemmy/Mbin is against AI, therefor FuckAI is such a big community and so on, and I’m a bit afraid to ask but is there any AI user community on Lemmy where they discuss Harnesses, Agents, recent news and political development out side of FuckAI?
I use it as a cool tool, it helps me implement a lot of small project for which I wouldn’t have had time as a dad with a full time job. And I’d like to discuss those things on Lemmy but everywhere I look it’s just FuckAI.
Is your project worth destroying the world? Or is it that as a dad with a full time job, you consider that you’ll die before seeing the consequences that will torture and kill your kids, and so it’s not your concern?
Everywhere it’s just fuck AI because it’s the modern plague, so it’s a pretty good sign that you’re struggling to find people who like AI here.
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Here’s an honest question that I wonder about every once in a while. If I’m running a fully local model at home on my server, and my electricity comes largely from hydroelectric dams, am I contributing to the demise of the world? I watch the power usage when I run it, and I waste more power sitting idle in Final Fantasy 14 for a few minutes while using the bathroom than I do running a local AI.
To be clear, I am not disregarding the absolute horrors that our capitalistic overlords are wreaking on our world in the creation of these models, or the ethical concerns of where the training data came from. Those sins are on their heads.
If the model is pretrained, then you are just outsourcing the main costs. Running the model isn’t the most expensive part.
And let’s face it, no one does what you described, and the ones that do are not the ones going around defending the other ways to use AIs.
Interestingly I was looking for a AI community so I could find a model which would run on my phone: https://piefed.jeena.net/post/373420 and I found one with help of that community.
I’m not sure when you mean no one does what I described. Running a local AI? Ollama is huge, running small models for simple queries is trivial nowadays.
Like I said, I’m not disregarding the costs that went into making the model. Whether I use it or not, it exists and nothing will change that. I did not ask for it to be made, neither did I ask for a tree to be felled to make the grip of my hammer, or for resin to be cast into the table I found at Goodwill, or for any other wonderfully horrid example of the worst humanity has to offer. We live in the mess offered to us, and we as a community can come together to make it better. What we can do as a community is help fund ethically trained models and reduce the reliance on the giant data centers.
I think you might be able to tell where my edible hit in that ramble.
I’m saying that “no one” runs a local, green-powered model, like yeah a handful of people probably do but they have no impact at all.
And when you start with the mentality of the “it’s there so why not use it”, you are much more prone to let more happen. If when someone gets murdered, everyone reacts by just mourning and not trying to find out who did it, and to prevent further murders, things won’t get better.
AIs need to be fought with the strongest force or they’ll win. That’s why you already see a split between “no AI here” places, and “oh yeah I’m just using AIs for this and this and that, but reasonably, and I also tried generating images but just for fun, and I made a slopsoftware just to be quicker, and I’m using it more because it frees my time, etc”.
It’s a slippery slope argument, you might say, but we’re seeing it happen. People slowly accept AIs, just like they slowly accept capitalism, just like they accept fascism, and just like they accept all those brain-killing things that are hammered into their heads by everyone around. The only way to resist is to unequivocally reject it, not tolerate exceptions, and once the problem is solved, once AIs are green and powered by the wind, we can have fun running our local models and whatnot.
TLDR: I get your point, but I think it’s a position that is very vulnerable to being corrupted, and the state of the world, including FOSS software and the like, seem to support my point of view.
It’s hard to take your argument seriously when you can’t even imagine that plenty of people are already running local models with renewable energy already. I’d love to see where you’re getting “no one” from, or even just a handful.
Slippery slope arguments are a child’s argument. You can throw literally any problem on there and say “Watch what happens when people abuse the system!” Eating a chip is a slippery slope to having a heart attack. Driving a car is a slippery slope towards everyone getting race cars and killing everyone they see.
Heck, I haven’t even touched on my thoughts on what I believe are the right ways to use AI (Screw using AI to make images, write stories, etc. Creative works should be human made)
Anyways, you seem set in your doomer view of the future. I do not agree with your view of FOSS software somehow supporting your position, as I see nothing but a large growing (and thriving) community making the world a better place. I’ll not change your mind so I’ll stop the conversation here.
As I said, they exist, they just have no impact.
A slippery slope is a had argument, but my point here was that we are visibly on the slope. We see more and more people tolerate AIs, including shit like slopcoding and slopart and the like. You can even see it on lemmy, which is probably one of the most AI-hostile places you’ll find. It’s more like starting to have heart problems after eating chips everyday, and thinking “heh, it’ll be fine, I’m not going to have a heart attack”. The opposite of the slippery slope, assuming that everything will be fine no matter what, is not more logical.
And good for you, but you’re a tiny minority. Your point of view is not shared by most AI users, even on lemmy.
Yeah, well you do you. It doesn’t take a long time looking at how the world is evolving to have a view of what’s coming.
I’m sure preventing people from talking about AI on Lemmy will stop that plague really quickly.
I have never seen such blatent censorship about a subject than AI on Lemmy. I dont care about AI so whatever but really stopping people to talk about a subject is the most stupid solution to a problem.
Putting it under the rug will not work.
What do you mean? You’re talking about it now, your comment has not been censored and neither has the post. Having an unpopular opinion and being downvoted for it is not censorship.
What is my “unpopular opinion” in my comment ?
All I see is me saying that no subjects should be downvotes just for their subject rather than a disagreement on a unpopular opinion.
I’m not saying you should not downvote content you disagree with. I’m saying that no matter what is said about AI it’s getting downvoted for the sole reason that it is about AI.
Again I was not expressing a clearly unpopular opinion around here that AI is good, yet I’m still downvoted just because that conversation is AI adjacent…
I sure hope saying all subjects should be freely talked about as long as its within the rules of that instance is not an unpopular opinion.
And yes, I do think massive downvotes for not even taking a stance or an opinion on a matter is a pretty big disruption of discourse.
Nobody’s preventing it really. There’s a difference between top-down censorship and cultural “we don’t do that here”.
Every idiot ever when their opinion is shut down due to the consequences of it being a shit opinion: “BuT mUh FreE SpeEcH tHis iS CenSorShiP”
True, but promoting AI will make it worse. What’s the lesser of two evils in this situation?
I never talked about promoting it.
Just letting people talk about it without immediately downvoting it.
So many snowflakes here. Especially the lemmy admins. Piefed FTW.