There was intentional miscounting in the 2020 census, even though that was only used to determine relative distribution of representatives among the various states. Every politician in the country already has huge lists of where their supporters live, and it is already obvious when they’re pulling shenanigans. And yet they do it anyway, because mere shame is not enough to keep humans from being jerks to obtain power and wealth.
My preferred alternative is not to rely on software or laws, but other humans and a dramatic expansion of whose votes matter in the country from “just those who won” to “essentially everyone.”.
How much miscounting? Enough to matter? How. If you want to convince the shortest splitline can be manipulated more than a bunch of people, you need to explain exactly how.
I’m not going to get into a pointless argument about whether or not the worst part of your proposal is “people” or “math”, since this is a system question and the distinction is irrelevent.
Humans will attempt to distort whatever system you decide. The only thing that has ever constrained this impulse is other humans with opposing interests. If you do have that what math is actually used becomes irrelevant, and if you don’t then the math is just a game that the humans who want to break your system may play or ignore as they choose.
If you’re not willing to understand even the basics of what you’re talking about enough to explain your view, there isn’t anything to talk about. You’re just obviously wrong, and you don’t even care to know why. I’ve got nothing more for you.
There was intentional miscounting in the 2020 census, even though that was only used to determine relative distribution of representatives among the various states. Every politician in the country already has huge lists of where their supporters live, and it is already obvious when they’re pulling shenanigans. And yet they do it anyway, because mere shame is not enough to keep humans from being jerks to obtain power and wealth.
My preferred alternative is not to rely on software or laws, but other humans and a dramatic expansion of whose votes matter in the country from “just those who won” to “essentially everyone.”.
How much miscounting? Enough to matter? How. If you want to convince the shortest splitline can be manipulated more than a bunch of people, you need to explain exactly how.
I’m not going to get into a pointless argument about whether or not the worst part of your proposal is “people” or “math”, since this is a system question and the distinction is irrelevent.
Humans will attempt to distort whatever system you decide. The only thing that has ever constrained this impulse is other humans with opposing interests. If you do have that what math is actually used becomes irrelevant, and if you don’t then the math is just a game that the humans who want to break your system may play or ignore as they choose.
If you’re not willing to understand even the basics of what you’re talking about enough to explain your view, there isn’t anything to talk about. You’re just obviously wrong, and you don’t even care to know why. I’ve got nothing more for you.