What do you think more people should experience as part of their journey of exploring their sexuality that, in your opinion, not enough people have tried?
What do you think more people should experience as part of their journey of exploring their sexuality that, in your opinion, not enough people have tried?
Is male not an assigned birth sex based on reproductive organs? What do we call everyone who has an inny and everyone who has an outy genitals?
AMAB and AFAB, if you’re discussing solely biological sex and not gender identity. You can call someone presenting masculine male regardless of their reproductive organs, or you can call someone with a penis male if you don’t know their gender identity but they either apparently present masculine after they understand the concept of gender, or they don’t present a gender identity at all before their concept of gender identity forms. That’s why in most discourse now we don’t use “male” and “female” to describe humans since it’s reductive and bioessentialist language, and reserve it for animals since they don’t have a concept of gender identity. We instead use “man” and “woman” for people who identify as either binary gender regardless of biological sex, and AMAB and AFAB for biological sex regardless of gender identity.
Who decided all this? I’ve never heard anyone use Aman or afab at all. Do doctors and scientists confirm to this?
Look it up. It’s just different language for different contexts. In colloquial vernacular, people still often call people with penises men and people with vaginas women, but in contexts where it’s important to distinguish gender identity from biological sex, it’s helpful to use the appropriate terminology. There are men with vaginas, so if I’m giving advice to people with vaginas, I won’t just say “women” because I want FtMs to know that I’m talking to them too. Same goes for people with penises: some people who have them are women so MtFs would feel excluded if I used the word men to exclusively refer to people with penises. That’s why I don’t use gender identity language in my posts to this community. I prefer not to use bioessentialist terms for what I’m talking about.
This is so confusing…and in this space it’s important to use non-colloquial terms? Maybe I’ll just have to block this space instead of getting so much hostility for using the wrong terms. There’s no info on that in the about info which would have been helpful.
If people using inclusive language offends you, you’re welcome to check out a bioessentialist community. AMAB and AFAB have been scientific terms for over a decade now.
Hey I was going to send this in a DM, but I can’t find the option in my client.
Thanks for taking the time to explain things in a respectful way. You had way more patience than me when I said “oh get a hobby.” You took the time and you may gave helped someone learn something and that’s a good thing, so thanks.
People can only learn things if they want to. It’s up to the individual person to try and keep up with the times.
It doesn’t offend me, i just find it difficult to understand everything. From what I read in the last couple hours they didn’t come from science but from activist and intersex communities and were adopted in some scientific fields, particularly medical and social field that interact with people. They don’t seem to be used widely or much in most of science, such as biology, zoology, genetics or ecology. Which just make shit even more confusing.
Anyways, thanks for the time, I’ll need to keep at it.
Here’s your info:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fpGqFUStcxc
10 minute crash course on sex, gender and trans people.
If you prefer reading over watching, here is a decent starting point:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex–gender_distinction
Also, while… it often does not make too much sense to describe or speak of the gender of non human animals… as gender is very much a sociological role an individual plays within in a group, that is derived from but not wholly determined by their biological make up alone… and we cannot exactly interrogate animals and ask them precisely how their societies and their minds work…
There have been many observed instances of sexually male or female animals uh, going against type, you might say, and preferring to mate and/or cohabitate with their own sex of the same species, or just doing it with either easily observably different sex.
And we do know of many human societies that have had more complex views of, and language for genders, that goes beyond the typical male/female gender binary, throughout history, and possibly even into prehistory.
Here are some societies that are alive today, which have more than two genders:
https://www.britannica.com/list/6-cultures-that-recognize-more-than-two-genders
Back to the biological realm, different kinds of sexual dimorphism and sexual variation exist in different kinds of creatures.
While rare (as within humanity), there are and have been observed and documented intersex animals.
Human people, persons, can also be born intersex, with something other than the typical XX or XY sexual chromosomes. As you can hopefully understand, given your current difficulty coming to terms with the concept of sex and gender being more than a binary… imagine actually being an intersex person, born into a society with many like you, who are eager to either force them into either category A or category B, both biologically and sociologically, when in fact they are neither.
Or, sometimes people can be born with the outer physical features that suggest one traditonal sex and gender to an outside observer, but with the hidden inner neurochemistry and hormonal/endocrine systems that significantly more strongly resemble the other traditional sex snd gender.
Or … something else, something inbetween, or just distinct.
Some animals are born with one sex, and if the environment has the right conditions, they’ll morph into a different sex.
Many plants have both the male and female sexual organs, they are hermaphrodites, or monoecious… while other plants are dioecious, split into basically sexually male plants and sexually female plants.
In summary… the totality of possibilities that exist as a biological result of sex and sexual reproduction as a mode of perpetuating life, not just within humans, but within all living things… is vastly more expansive and complex than a simple binary.
If you’ve genuienly never heard of any of this before, yes, it can be quite confusing.
On the other side of that are people who know much of these things already, and are unfortunately often very wary of and beleaguered by, even hostile toward people who treat their existence as an illness, an aberration, a mistake.
Who would rather that they all either conform to simplistic tradition, or just cease to exist.
Trans people, gay lesbian queer people… we have a history of being genocided by Nazis (yes, literally), persecuted by religious zealots, disenfranchised by populist authoritarians, decried and insulted and targetted as minority groups … so we have a kind of collective hypervigilance about those who are disdainful or doubtful of our existence.
I hope that your curiosity to at least learn more about these topics is genuine, and I think it might be, given that you seem to still be trying to have this conversation here.