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    People are getting caught up on semantics vs. ethics in this thread. Is it vandalism? Yes, textbook. Is it okay? Also yes, fuck these people for bankrolling his coup.

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        A 100k auto loan with 20k down financed for 84 months is $1,1167/mo.

        It isn’t an intelligent purchase, but it is very much in the budget for a professional working class person.

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            People who earn their living primarily from working and earning a paycheck.

            As opposed to the capital class, who earn their living primarily from interest on their invested capital.

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              So brain surgeons are working class, not upper class? Because they make half a million on salary?

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                Yes, brain surgeons are working class. They earn a lot because they actually produce a lot of value. If you suffer from a brain disease, getting surgery to fix it is probably one of the most valuable things you can get (depending on the severity, it will be the most valuable thing). Additionally, it requires a lot of skill.

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    This is dumb… if tomorrow I heard John Toyota was a child molester I wouldn’t make it top priority to sell my car

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      Vandalism.

      Would you like to explain to the dealership that gave me a shitty old loaner Tesla why you decided to vandalize their property and make me have to deal with it through my insurance?

      Don’t vandalize other people’s shit. You don’t know what their situation is. Golden rule, motherfucker.

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        Would you like to explain to the dealership that gave me a shitty old loaner Tesla why you decided to vandalize

        Surely you realize that analogy is flawed? That’s not an old loaner—even if it is shitty—it’s an eighty-thousand dollar and higher, highly controversial, highly marketed, nearly experimental vehicle. No reasonable person is chasing after poor sods with old loaners to vandalize.

        Don’t vandalize other people’s shit. You don’t know what their situation is. Golden rule, motherfucker.

        Since we’re being nice about it, how about don’t support nazis. Golden rule, dipshit.

        …I don’t think you’re a dipshit, but I do think “vandalism or not” is irrelevant, here. Property isn’t sacred, and even if it were, vandalizing nazi symbols would be far from the worst sin to commit.

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          $80k? My loaner is not worth that much, even brand new. It’s not a special model or anything.

          No reasonable person is chasing after poor sods with old loaners to vandalize.

          I got harassed today for my loaner, the same day I got it. How are people supposed to separate those with loaners from those with their own vehicle and vandalize accordingly?

          How about don’t support nazis.

          I wholeheartedly agree. You still shouldn’t vandalize other people’s shit.

          Property isn’t sacred, but how about we just don’t vandalize property because we don’t know everyone’s situation?

          If my loaner gets vandalized I’m not going to hate Elon any more. I’m going to be pissed off that now I have to deal with that bullshit because some asshole decided to make a statement I never needed.

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            If you are this inconvenienced by driving a Tesla that puts me off from buying or renting one, since I wouldn’t want to go through that. Makes me want to stay away from Tesla with what a hassle it is. I’d ask for another loaner personally, but more power to you for wanting to keep sticking with it.

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              Yep you got me, I desperately wanted the first loaner to have a fucked up tire and for the shop to not have anything else when I asked for something different, resulting in having a loaner I fucking hate, because I secretly wanted it and hoped it would happen that way.

              Harassing people for their choices does not convince them of anything other than you’re an asshole, vandalizing their property (especially property that has cameras everywhere and records you doing so) just requires them to give Tesla more money to fix it, which completely invalidates your reason for doing so. Like when Republicans boycott a product by buying the product and destroying it.

              I genuinely hope more people stay away from Teslas, they’re dogshit and their Nazi-ass owner shouldn’t be supported. But I’m also not inclined to fuck over other people’s shit about it. Fuck me, I guess.

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                Yeah plan to. It seems like a very scary car to be associated with in the current public climate. Brand has become radioactive and too ideological tied to political figures. Seems like anger is just slowly increasing over the past several weeks too.

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                  Yep something I wasn’t sure was a thing until I experienced a small taste of it today. That’s one of the reasons I feel strongly about it. Harassing me for the loaner I got does nothing to dissuade legit Tesla owners. It just pisses me off and makes me feel like I made a mistake in a situation I had no direct control over.

                  Vandalizing a Tesla does nothing but put more money in Tesla’s pockets for the repair costs, and potentially fuck yourself over with vandalism charges.

                  We’re in a class war, and our beef is with them, and specifically in this case, Elon’s exploitation of the current Administration to dismantle the government. So why the fuck are we still vilifying each other over their actions?