In December 2023, Denmark introduced a law banning "improper treatment" of religious texts. Two people are now to face trial on the Danish island of Bornholm.
I am pro “people doing with their property whatever they fucking want” and i think putting religion in general on such a pedestal is ridiculous. Same with burning flags. Its just a dead object, it shouldnt have rights.
I think you’re missing the point. It’s never about just burning something. If the person would have burned the quran at home and people later found out and reported it it’s not going to be a legal issue.
It’s more a question of whether this counts as hate speech type action directly targeted at a group protected from discrimination such as lgbt, religion, race and whatnot. If I’m being honest, I think people shouldn’t be allowed to do this on stage in front of an audience while live streaming and I’m not sure where I’d draw the line either.
I think most people would agree that doing a fake hanging of doll that looks like a black guy on stage shouldn’t be allowed, or doing “Let’s burn the muslim” burning of a doll. That’s people doing whatever they want with their own property that is a dead object also. It’s not per se about burning the object, it’s about being hateful towards a minority on purpose.
Yeah no i 100% think that religion needs less protections. People need protections. People are not their religions, so if i make fun of islam or judaism, that is not and shouldnt be considered racist or hate speech. Religious people love crying about minority oppression, when in reality its always been religious people that have oppressed others.
Atheists, like me, have been very oppressed throughout history and it’s still illegal to be atheist in a bunch of places. You should absolutely be allowed to make fun of everyone of course and everyone should be given the benefit of the doubt. It’s just specifically this case of burning the Quran that can’t be considered anything else than being intentionally hostile towards muslims.
P.S. Quran is surprisingly accepting of christians since they accept jesus as a prophet, but not the son of god/is actually god stuff.
Pity I am not a Christian.
I am far more familiar with the Bible’s hatred since I live in a ‘Christian country’ but I can easily find some questionable quotes from the Quran.
And may punish the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women, and the idolatrous men and the idolatrous women, who think an evil thought concerning Allah. For them is the evil turn of fortune, and Allah is wroth against them and hath cursed them, and hath made ready for them hell, a hapless journey’s end.
And so for him who believeth not in Allah and His messenger - Lo! We have prepared a flame for disbelievers.
Allah promiseth you much booty that ye will capture
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves.
I can see there is no doubt Allah is the Christian God.
I can waste my time and probably find more reprehensible shit, let alone in actual practice and history of Islam (or Christianity). It’s pointless if you really believe Christianity and/or Islam are tolerant and not fundamentally systems of manipulation of a unique scale and effectiveness.
I am pro “people doing with their property whatever they fucking want” and i think putting religion in general on such a pedestal is ridiculous. Same with burning flags. Its just a dead object, it shouldnt have rights.
I’m not pro book burning, not anti book burning either
True, but that’s not what angers people. It represent/stands for something, and that’s why they get pissed. Not the object itself.
It stands for oppression.
I think you’re missing the point. It’s never about just burning something. If the person would have burned the quran at home and people later found out and reported it it’s not going to be a legal issue.
It’s more a question of whether this counts as hate speech type action directly targeted at a group protected from discrimination such as lgbt, religion, race and whatnot. If I’m being honest, I think people shouldn’t be allowed to do this on stage in front of an audience while live streaming and I’m not sure where I’d draw the line either.
I think most people would agree that doing a fake hanging of doll that looks like a black guy on stage shouldn’t be allowed, or doing “Let’s burn the muslim” burning of a doll. That’s people doing whatever they want with their own property that is a dead object also. It’s not per se about burning the object, it’s about being hateful towards a minority on purpose.
Yeah no i 100% think that religion needs less protections. People need protections. People are not their religions, so if i make fun of islam or judaism, that is not and shouldnt be considered racist or hate speech. Religious people love crying about minority oppression, when in reality its always been religious people that have oppressed others.
Atheists, like me, have been very oppressed throughout history and it’s still illegal to be atheist in a bunch of places. You should absolutely be allowed to make fun of everyone of course and everyone should be given the benefit of the doubt. It’s just specifically this case of burning the Quran that can’t be considered anything else than being intentionally hostile towards muslims.
Should people be allowed to preach the Quran and the Bible? Pretty sure they are not very tolerant of other religions.
Absolutely yeah: freedom of practicing one’s own religion and congregate.
Absolutely no: crusades. Everything between is gray area, some almost black, almost white.
P.S. Quran is surprisingly accepting of christians since they accept jesus as a prophet, but not the son of god/is actually god stuff.
Pity I am not a Christian.
I am far more familiar with the Bible’s hatred since I live in a ‘Christian country’ but I can easily find some questionable quotes from the Quran.
I can see there is no doubt Allah is the Christian God.
I can waste my time and probably find more reprehensible shit, let alone in actual practice and history of Islam (or Christianity). It’s pointless if you really believe Christianity and/or Islam are tolerant and not fundamentally systems of manipulation of a unique scale and effectiveness.
Not debating religion good/bad, just pointing out a counterexample. I’m also an atheist.
With that logic a neo nazi can have his swastika and do whatever he want about it
No it’s more like; no one can hurt the feelings of the neo Nazi or they might freak out and murder innocent people.