We all have a single common ancestor so where do you draw the line? All humans are genetically closer to each other than dog breeds are. That’s the fault of eugenics. The theory isn’t wrong as it falls off of the theory of evolution, the facts are wrong because humans are so generically close to each other regardless of race. Dog breeds are different to the point that it’s scientific fact that they have different traits. Your argument just digs your grave further as you have to say different races of humans are like different breeds of dogs. Which in fact is a racist narrative - once again you’re helping contribute to the eugenicist argument by saying humans are like dogs.
“Correlation doesn’t equal causation” yet when 99% of lighting strikes happen during a storm, maybe it’s worth investigating if the storms contribute to lightning strikes happening. People have investigated this with black crime statistics, and turns out that it was systemic racism. So thus it was debunked.
The argument for pitbulls is purely emotional. Sure they may be as aggressive as chihuahuas, but I can beat a chihuahua in a fight. A pitbull, probably not.
It’s a pikachu face when you’re dog bred to destroy other dogs just so happens to be dangerous, and maybe we really should wipe out that entire breed from existence.
I’m not drawing the line, you are when you claim races exist as anything more than social constructs over shared characteristics.
In any case, all of what you’re saying are red herrings ignoring the point I’m making that the logic is flawed. Which you clearly agree with:
People have investigated this with black crime statistics, and turns out that it was systemic racism. So thus it was debunked.
If the argument was solid it wouldn’t need investigation, the fact that investigation disproves that argument lets you know it’s not solid logic.
Since similar studies have not been conducted for dogs and we can’t exclude other factors (for example that assholes who want a dog to mistreat prefer aggressive breeds), the argument is just as pointless as it is for people.
Race is a social construct, dog breeds very much aren’t. They were bred for a reason. Numerous countries, including my own, have banned pitbulls for that reason.
Red herring: That is an entirely different argument from the one I’m replying to and has absolutely no bearing on the point I’m trying to make.
That being said you should really pick up a history book sometime, slaves were also sometimes bred in much the same way dogs are now.
Plus dog breeds are also mostly social constructs, to the point that the majority of Pitbull attacks are not actually done by Pitbulls but were misidentified.
It’ll be hard for breeds of slaves to become “lesser” beings because it’s still humans v humans. There are some groups for example that are slightly better at diving because they live near water, and black people do fare better in the sun compared to white people. But again, the differences there are negligible.
Human is a species, dog is also a species. The exact same argument could be made that it’s still dogs v dogs. The only difference is that slave breeding didn’t happened often or long enough, humans are not special we’re animals and subject to the same biology that dogs, our lifespan are longer so it takes longer to breed us into anything as drastically different as a Chihuahua and a Rottweiler but it could be done just as easily and using the exact same techniques. And biologically speaking the differences between dog breeds is very minimal, they’re still the same species, and still can inter breed, it’s just a matter of different phenotypes which would erode in a couple of inter-breed generations.
You need to stop thinking that humans are special in any way or that races/breeds exist as anything more than “these look similar”. Sure, there is a genetic explanation of why they look similar, but claiming dogs that were bred for X are lesser, or more aggressive or anything is a slippery slope argument when humans have also been bred in recent history, and if you had read any statistics about this you would know that in both cases once you normalize for standard of living these differences disappear. In short the data proves that a Pitbull is not statistically significantly more aggressive than a Labrador that were raised in the same condition, but take a Labrador from puppy and spank him daily show him no love and make him fight for food and then act surprised Pikachu face when he attacks someone, it’s just that there exists a correlation between pieces of shit who like to do that and people who like Pitbulls.
In any case, this has gone terribly out of the point I was making originally, which you never replied to, and I’m tired of every answer you pulling a new Red Herring to avoid acknowledging that “X is a minority yet it’s responsible for the majority of fatalities, therefore X is violent” is a bad argument.
We all have a single common ancestor so where do you draw the line? All humans are genetically closer to each other than dog breeds are. That’s the fault of eugenics. The theory isn’t wrong as it falls off of the theory of evolution, the facts are wrong because humans are so generically close to each other regardless of race. Dog breeds are different to the point that it’s scientific fact that they have different traits. Your argument just digs your grave further as you have to say different races of humans are like different breeds of dogs. Which in fact is a racist narrative - once again you’re helping contribute to the eugenicist argument by saying humans are like dogs.
“Correlation doesn’t equal causation” yet when 99% of lighting strikes happen during a storm, maybe it’s worth investigating if the storms contribute to lightning strikes happening. People have investigated this with black crime statistics, and turns out that it was systemic racism. So thus it was debunked.
The argument for pitbulls is purely emotional. Sure they may be as aggressive as chihuahuas, but I can beat a chihuahua in a fight. A pitbull, probably not.
It’s a pikachu face when you’re dog bred to destroy other dogs just so happens to be dangerous, and maybe we really should wipe out that entire breed from existence.
I’m not drawing the line, you are when you claim races exist as anything more than social constructs over shared characteristics.
In any case, all of what you’re saying are red herrings ignoring the point I’m making that the logic is flawed. Which you clearly agree with:
If the argument was solid it wouldn’t need investigation, the fact that investigation disproves that argument lets you know it’s not solid logic.
Since similar studies have not been conducted for dogs and we can’t exclude other factors (for example that assholes who want a dog to mistreat prefer aggressive breeds), the argument is just as pointless as it is for people.
Race is a social construct, dog breeds very much aren’t. They were bred for a reason. Numerous countries, including my own, have banned pitbulls for that reason.
Red herring: That is an entirely different argument from the one I’m replying to and has absolutely no bearing on the point I’m trying to make.
That being said you should really pick up a history book sometime, slaves were also sometimes bred in much the same way dogs are now.
Plus dog breeds are also mostly social constructs, to the point that the majority of Pitbull attacks are not actually done by Pitbulls but were misidentified.
It’ll be hard for breeds of slaves to become “lesser” beings because it’s still humans v humans. There are some groups for example that are slightly better at diving because they live near water, and black people do fare better in the sun compared to white people. But again, the differences there are negligible.
Human is a species, dog is also a species. The exact same argument could be made that it’s still dogs v dogs. The only difference is that slave breeding didn’t happened often or long enough, humans are not special we’re animals and subject to the same biology that dogs, our lifespan are longer so it takes longer to breed us into anything as drastically different as a Chihuahua and a Rottweiler but it could be done just as easily and using the exact same techniques. And biologically speaking the differences between dog breeds is very minimal, they’re still the same species, and still can inter breed, it’s just a matter of different phenotypes which would erode in a couple of inter-breed generations.
You need to stop thinking that humans are special in any way or that races/breeds exist as anything more than “these look similar”. Sure, there is a genetic explanation of why they look similar, but claiming dogs that were bred for X are lesser, or more aggressive or anything is a slippery slope argument when humans have also been bred in recent history, and if you had read any statistics about this you would know that in both cases once you normalize for standard of living these differences disappear. In short the data proves that a Pitbull is not statistically significantly more aggressive than a Labrador that were raised in the same condition, but take a Labrador from puppy and spank him daily show him no love and make him fight for food and then act surprised Pikachu face when he attacks someone, it’s just that there exists a correlation between pieces of shit who like to do that and people who like Pitbulls.
In any case, this has gone terribly out of the point I was making originally, which you never replied to, and I’m tired of every answer you pulling a new Red Herring to avoid acknowledging that “X is a minority yet it’s responsible for the majority of fatalities, therefore X is violent” is a bad argument.