Where I live now in Europe, people earn a salary that allows them to live a decent life. And if you try to tip em, they get offended because you assume they’re poor and they don’t make enough money.
Nobody gets offended by tips here because if you’re working for tips you are poor.
It’s pretty awful that all of the service people make shit wage, but if they’d just band together and unionize things would get better. Assholes in corporate America can’t show up without a good haircut. Barbers should strike for a month and see what that does to their wages.
Alas, poor people can’t strike. That’s exactly how the ruling class wants it. If you can’t miss a meal today, you’re not planning on better meals next week.
I have yet to meet a poor barber. I see them generating over $200 an hour in a cash business. Mine talks about his new house, his Vegas vacations and he’s barely 30.
My barber has to do Uber on the side. He sold his shop and now works there for the new owner until his other barber gig grows. He’s a refugee from Mosul and a really great guy, but he’s not getting enough from the barbering.
The hidden answer was: don’t tip. When nobody tips, workers will finally ask livable wages from their employers instead of relying on semi-compulsory handouts.
This is absurd. What employee anywhere wouldn’t ask for more pay? What employer is holding out on raising their employee’s pay simply because they haven’t asked?
Above you also commented that “they continually vote against their own best interests and don’t unionize” but what are you even talking about? Are you claiming most barbers are conservatives? Most barbers are independent contractors.
Your argument here is akin to Republicans claiming that things like minimum wage and welfare keep people poor and the only way to stop poverty is to slash safety nets for everyone so they’ll 'pull themselves up by their bootstraps and earn more."
I see your point, but a change like that would require major legal changes, which would take years. In the meantime, I don’t want to screw people who rely on tips to live.
Yes I understand your dilemma. The problem is, everybody thinks the same way and the beat goes on: the employers don’t pay their employees the true price of their labor because they know the patrons will make up the difference.
The system is allowed to continue by shaming customers into paying, and I’m not doing shame-based scams.
Incidentally: you know who makes a killing out of the Americans’ stupid habits of tipping? The French.
In France, the gratuity is included in the price. But most Americans don’t know that and tip the waiters - meaning they get double the money.
That’s why, whenever I go to France, I speak my native tongue in restaurants instead of speaking French - which I speak also: the waiter treats us real good all evening long because they think they’re gonna milk a good load of money out of us. But when I pull out my credit card from a European bank, they instantly stop being nice 🙂
workers will finally ask for livable wages from their employers
Most states allow booth renting, which means that the barber or stylist is paying the salon/shop owner for the privilege of working there. They can be expected to help keep the place clean, only sell products the shop owner authorizes, be available for walk-ins a certain number of hours per week, and keep pricing in line with that shop’s policies, but otherwise they’re “their own boss.” Whatever that means at that point.
So many barbers and stylists are not making wages. They’ve effectively got a landlord who sets their prices for them. The only power they have is to change shops and hope for a less abusive landlord, but that also risks alienating reliable and repeating customers.
It’s an absolutely fucked and predatory system. It requires a legislative fix, but just like the other big tip-dependent sector of food service, the people in these jobs are overwhelmingly overworked women struggling to make ends meet. Many people find it difficult to engage in political advocacy when they’re struggling to survive.
Basically, I hate this “ask for livable wages” rhetoric because at-risk people have the hardest time self-advocating. Don’t blame poor people for being poor. See that there’s a problem and advocate on for them.
Don’t forget that when you do this, you’re deciding what issues that worker should be protesting.
They didn’t agree to hunger strike for YOUR cause. Those are hard working people that rely on those tips because of the system that exists. Whether or not the system should work this way is debatable (for what it’s worth, I agree that it shouldn’t be this way) but for now, tipping IS part of the social contract, and not tipping a server doesn’t make you an activist, it makes you an asshole.
This is specifically for servers, and gig workers (Uber drivers, delivery services) There are a lot of people I don’t tip, because they aren’t making half of minimum wage per hour. I don’t often tip anyone other profession unless they’ve really gone above and beyond.
The real fix is that nobody shows up to do the job that doesn’t get paid by the employer or tipped by the customer. Force the worker to do something else and suddenly wages increase due to worker scarcity.
Garbage truck drivers don’t make good money out of the kindness of Waste Management’s heart. Nobody wants to do that job so the price for the employee goes up.
Americans are just too stupid to realize that when a customer doesn’t tip, it’s not the customers fault the employee isn’t getting paid. I wish the country would wake up already.
I’m so glad I don’t live in the US no more…
Where I live now in Europe, people earn a salary that allows them to live a decent life. And if you try to tip em, they get offended because you assume they’re poor and they don’t make enough money.
It’s the US, they are poor.
Nobody gets offended by tips here because if you’re working for tips you are poor.
It’s pretty awful that all of the service people make shit wage, but if they’d just band together and unionize things would get better. Assholes in corporate America can’t show up without a good haircut. Barbers should strike for a month and see what that does to their wages.
Alas, poor people can’t strike. That’s exactly how the ruling class wants it. If you can’t miss a meal today, you’re not planning on better meals next week.
I have yet to meet a poor barber. I see them generating over $200 an hour in a cash business. Mine talks about his new house, his Vegas vacations and he’s barely 30.
Someone should write a book about a wealthy barber. :)
My barber has to do Uber on the side. He sold his shop and now works there for the new owner until his other barber gig grows. He’s a refugee from Mosul and a really great guy, but he’s not getting enough from the barbering.
Having to sell your shop to someone else and then work for them must suck.
Being a refugee from Mossul in Trump’s fashland must suck even worse.
I know. But they allow themselves to be poor: they consistently vote against their own interests and they don’t unionize.
Wow… are you saying tipping sucks? I didn’t know that! Thank you for providing such an original response instead of a useful answer!
The hidden answer was: don’t tip. When nobody tips, workers will finally ask livable wages from their employers instead of relying on semi-compulsory handouts.
This is absurd. What employee anywhere wouldn’t ask for more pay? What employer is holding out on raising their employee’s pay simply because they haven’t asked?
Above you also commented that “they continually vote against their own best interests and don’t unionize” but what are you even talking about? Are you claiming most barbers are conservatives? Most barbers are independent contractors.
Your argument here is akin to Republicans claiming that things like minimum wage and welfare keep people poor and the only way to stop poverty is to slash safety nets for everyone so they’ll 'pull themselves up by their bootstraps and earn more."
I see your point, but a change like that would require major legal changes, which would take years. In the meantime, I don’t want to screw people who rely on tips to live.
Yes I understand your dilemma. The problem is, everybody thinks the same way and the beat goes on: the employers don’t pay their employees the true price of their labor because they know the patrons will make up the difference.
The system is allowed to continue by shaming customers into paying, and I’m not doing shame-based scams.
Incidentally: you know who makes a killing out of the Americans’ stupid habits of tipping? The French.
In France, the gratuity is included in the price. But most Americans don’t know that and tip the waiters - meaning they get double the money.
That’s why, whenever I go to France, I speak my native tongue in restaurants instead of speaking French - which I speak also: the waiter treats us real good all evening long because they think they’re gonna milk a good load of money out of us. But when I pull out my credit card from a European bank, they instantly stop being nice 🙂
Fuck tipping, regardless of the country.
What I got out of your anecdote is that waiters in France provide better service if they think that will earn them a tip.
Agreed!
Most states allow booth renting, which means that the barber or stylist is paying the salon/shop owner for the privilege of working there. They can be expected to help keep the place clean, only sell products the shop owner authorizes, be available for walk-ins a certain number of hours per week, and keep pricing in line with that shop’s policies, but otherwise they’re “their own boss.” Whatever that means at that point.
So many barbers and stylists are not making wages. They’ve effectively got a landlord who sets their prices for them. The only power they have is to change shops and hope for a less abusive landlord, but that also risks alienating reliable and repeating customers.
It’s an absolutely fucked and predatory system. It requires a legislative fix, but just like the other big tip-dependent sector of food service, the people in these jobs are overwhelmingly overworked women struggling to make ends meet. Many people find it difficult to engage in political advocacy when they’re struggling to survive.
Basically, I hate this “ask for livable wages” rhetoric because at-risk people have the hardest time self-advocating. Don’t blame poor people for being poor. See that there’s a problem and advocate on for them.
Don’t forget that when you do this, you’re deciding what issues that worker should be protesting.
They didn’t agree to hunger strike for YOUR cause. Those are hard working people that rely on those tips because of the system that exists. Whether or not the system should work this way is debatable (for what it’s worth, I agree that it shouldn’t be this way) but for now, tipping IS part of the social contract, and not tipping a server doesn’t make you an activist, it makes you an asshole.
This is specifically for servers, and gig workers (Uber drivers, delivery services) There are a lot of people I don’t tip, because they aren’t making half of minimum wage per hour. I don’t often tip anyone other profession unless they’ve really gone above and beyond.
They can ask all they want, the laws allow them to do it, so you would need to change legislation first.
The real fix is that nobody shows up to do the job that doesn’t get paid by the employer or tipped by the customer. Force the worker to do something else and suddenly wages increase due to worker scarcity.
Garbage truck drivers don’t make good money out of the kindness of Waste Management’s heart. Nobody wants to do that job so the price for the employee goes up.
Americans are just too stupid to realize that when a customer doesn’t tip, it’s not the customers fault the employee isn’t getting paid. I wish the country would wake up already.
But that wasn’t his question.