I’m looking for something that just gives good results with their own engine, not proxying google or yahoo, without LLMs being involved.
I’ve used startpage and have my own searxng instance self hosted. But both use mostly google results with just a nicer frontend.
I was looking Kagi as an alternative. But they seemed to move to become another AI company, bundling their subscription to the search engine with a subscription to an LLM, so I’m not paying for that.
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DuckDuckGo’s No AI version, but I haven’t really tried anything else, maybe that’s a show of it’s quality?
qwant :)
Duck Duck Go.
Been using Duckduckgo, it’s ok. Like the early days of Google.
Now I just have to finish de-Googling email and file storage.
I wouldn’t say Kagi has “moved to become an AI company”.
They host some open weight models, which you can use with your subscription (which hasn’t increased in price or dropped features since they added AI access), but you’re not forced to use AI ever, and they’re not collecting your searches or prompts to feed into training.
They’ve taken a pretty skeptical stance on AI from the start. You can disable AI features completely, so you don’t even accidentally use them. But even if you leave them enabled, you have to opt into invoking AI by ending your query with a question mark.
Edit: Also, they downrank content that has been flagged as AI generated: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/slopstop.html
duckduck for 90%.
Google only when dd fails me.
To tbh, many of the things I used to use a search engine for I now use a variety of chatbots. No adverts, just answers. (I suspect this won’t last)
https://noai.duckduckgo.com/when I’m using a private browsing window
I use Kagi
I use xPrivo, base in Luxembourgh.
It uses the EU made Index from Ecosia and Qwant and own.
does it use staan in every country (unlike qwant and ecosia, for now)?
cus those search results seem quite good, maybe even better than qwant (which i use)
if this is what staan is like, i’m very much hyped for the rollout for qwant and ecosia :)
I tried Kagi for a month. It was decent. For $5 and only 300 searches I felt limited. I’m not saying I was limited, I felt that way. I found myself going to other search engines for some searches.
I liked ecosia for awhile but I’ve had to turn off the AI multiple times. I have no idea why it keeps turning back on, so that’s why I stopped. Start page was ok. I’m currently using SearX Paulgo and it seems decent.
I use DuckDuckGo.
I don’t prefer AI searching, but if I’m in a hurry I’ll look at the AI summary. You can disable it by going to noai.duckduckgo.com. I just don’t bother with that. If I don’t like the AI summary, I don’t expand it.
AI summaries will eventually leak false information into your brain, even if you don’t expand it.
The Internet’s been doing that for decades, it’s fine.
It’s true. Message board are known to hallucinate content.
I’ve been using Qwant for about a year now, they and Ecosia built their own EU based index a while ago. I’ve been pretty happy with it
They did introduce an AI overview thing a few months back, but it can be permanently turned off with two clicks
Ecosia and Duck duck go
I have a huge list of small independent ones added to my browser, but I’m not near it and don’t remember most of them. Marginalia-Search is really good though
After a couple of years using Kagi, I’ve been giving Uruky a try for the past two weeks. It’s a European meta-search engines which uses European indexes.
In my experience, setting Serper (a UK-based privacy preserving proxy to Google Search) as the first index to use gives the best responses, but I still happen to go back to Kagi once in a while (like, maybe 2-3 times in the past week).
I swapped to Qwant over the summer and have had no complaints at all! Their ai-overview is very easy to turn off (and it stays off permanently, afaik) and the results are pretty comprehensive!
