@mods The rest of this chain was offensive, but this comment consisting solely of a personal attack is not ?

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That is my matrix username

Ah, makes sense.

I respond to a someone probably exploring communism asking about a term with an emphasis on the deleting of certain posts spreading misinformation, which might miss guide the person asking the question into some kind of vaushist “leftism” or turn them off from exploring marxism. The specific posts spreading misinformation are claiming a very accusatory claim used by western imperialists to make a government look bad, which in a less fortunate country that is just developing, could be the result of support for a coup to put in a puppet government. Whether you support that claim which is objectively false (https://tankie.tube/w/p/kFZ2joQah4kmt2KSpzPHtb?playlistPosition=6&resume=true <-- is an entertaining starter with sources) is irrelevant when people think these people spreading such disinformation are some kind of heroes.

That also makes sense, mostly, i disagree with some of it on a logical principle level, but i really don’t have a personal horse in any of the political parts i also don’t know/care enough to get one.

All the things you said might be true, they all might be false, though i suspect they’re all subjective enough to be context dependent, i also suspect we aren’t going to agree on the difference between subjective and objective, which is my main disagreement with the statement as a whole.

My main point was, there were answers that are now deleted, that is provably true.

The subjective accuracy of those answers isn’t really the point and no claim was made on that aspect.

Also, the implied /s for “mysterious” didn’t land and that’s on me.

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@Williama:Genzedong

I’m not sure what this means, is this a reference i’m supposed to know?

Come on lib send me the Tiananmen Square video of tanks doing the things you claim they do. @Williama:Genzedong

Not sure if this is aimed at me, but i haven’t claimed anything to do with tanks, at any point, ever.

Some answers haven’t “disappeared for mysterious reasons”,

That’s fair , i meant “mysterious reasons” in a less factual and more sarcasm way, but i can see how that might have not come across.

it’s for spreading misinformation.

That’s subjective, which is what that whole thread is about no?

I wasn’t really emphasizing the subjectivity of the claims, as much as just pointing out that answers had been removed and they might be found in the modlog.

You seem to have a strong opinion on this, i do not.

If you disagree then come on, send me a video of the “horrendous crimes committed by China in Tiananmen Square”

I’m sure you can search for whatever videos you need, i haven’t made any claims i would need to provide video evidence for.

I won’t be providing evidence of positions i haven’t taken or claims i haven’t made, that would be silly.

I fully consent. @Williama:Genzedong.

Still not sure what this reference is.

Surely at least one of the “victims of the massacre” would have recorded something the “ruthless military regime” and their oh so very “despicable acts of massacre”.

See the above section about there being no claims or positions taken.

If you want to imagine i’ve sent you proof of this imaginary claim i’ve made so you can be upset in your imagination , feel free.

If you and other libs are annoyed that the devs are “tankies”, then go back to reddit.

See above re: claims that never happened

edit: damn, that’s a high percentage of sodium for pointing at a thing that provably exists in the modlog.

worth checking the modlog, seems there were answers that have since disappeared for mysterious reasons.

Yeah, re-reading it myself , it was a weird example and that may have been where they were going with it.

That a disingenuous reply at best, the choice is clearly “person doesn’t do enough to help your people” vs “person who actively allows great harm to your people”.

The example could probably have done with being gender neutral, but even so.

I’m not sure why you zeroed in on the female part and not the “doesn’t do enough to help your people” part.

As i said, i don’t disagree in principle.

All i was saying in that response was that inaction should also be factored in to any consideration of morality.

I don’t disagree in principle.

Lets take your scenario of not voting for fascist-lite as a means to fight against Full-Fat fascist.

In the current American system ( the greatest and most functional system /s), not voting effectively gives the vote to the eventual victor (that’s reductive but you know what I mean)

Assuming the BigFash win, the choice of inaction would be more impactful than the action of voting for DietFash.

On a relative scale and depending on how you feel about fascism I suppose.

So yes the participation and outcome matter but the effect isn’t always equal.

Inactively participating in the rise of the GrandMasterFash would be the cost of feeling good about not actively voting for the LesserFash.

Ultimately it’s shit choices all around, but that’s the point of the lesser of two evils, right?

Inaction when action is an option is still a choice.

One of the major premises of the trolley problem is the choice.

It’s very specifically a scenario where everything is a choice.

The only way to not choose a scenario option is to not participate at all.

If you are forced to use “lite” rather than normal ublock origin then you’ve probably already lost this fight because you’re in a browser that forces manifest v3 extensions only.

So you get crippled ad-blockers (by design).

Depends on how debilitating it is, if its bad enough, therapy might be a useful option.

Body dysmorphia about weight might need a bit more help than you can give as an individual.

It might not meet the criteria for that, but worth consideration.

Edit: to clarify, dysmorphia like this is where the brain refuses to acknowledge the relatively objective reality of a “normal” weight.

It’s often one of the underlying causes of bulimia/anorexia and the converse.

I think you meant to reply to the other person.

If you’ll notice I mention the biggest offenders and/or the the underlying management infrastructure.

Private jet owners getting systematically luigi’d would also fall under that remit, I was just using data centres as an example.

Oil rigs, Nestlé, blackrock etc would also all work , with varying degrees of efficacy and difficulty.

To address your argument directly, before you get all preachy think of the actual consequences of major data centres going down, all the critical infrastructure running on said data centres would also go down.

That’s air traffic control, shipping and logistics ,and yes, agriculture; any system relying on cloud services running in those data centres

If you pick the right ones and do it properly (a competently executed strategy, if you will) then you could cripple most industries, with all the consequences that brings.

Just to be clear you are saying you didn’t provide a claim of truth with no supporting argument because, and I quote

what i said were all truth claims.

no argument at all is needed.

I know you aren’t going to understand how your reply doesn’t make sense but if in the future you come back to this , this kind of thing is what people call mental gymnastics.

It kinda feels like punching down at this point so I’ll leave you be.

Point to the advocation.

Edit: changed my mind, no need, see my other reply , good luck.

Indeed, but the definition does, I don’t care at all about this hill, but not being able to understand the application of the definition of words is going to make conversations difficult for you.

I would assume a competently executed strategy of eliminating the worst offenders (and/or the managing infrastructure thereof) would probably have more impact, they probably meant legal things though.

For instance, a solo campaign of taking out the biggest data centers would probably work. Difficult though.