Of it helps you to go on a calories deficit, go for it.

There is no benefit in fasting rather than any other kind of first that less your calories intake. The rest is physiological, good if it works for you.

The end goal is to get into a balanced diet, for this fasting is bad because doesn’t teach you to eat better, just less

Ask you friend if the McDonald app works out of the box.

I know, I don’t care for McDonald app as well, but it’s an easy example of a stupid app requiring play certification to work…

No, sono Italiano… But I guess it’s similar across the continent…

I agree with most of everything you wrote.

But banking apps and government apps is not a convenience, is a requirement, especially because, well, by law, they are required to provide an app and there is no choice around it. At least here.

I could indeed go back to bicycle everywhere I want to go and take in the train, but that is not convenience, that is life, so I need a car.

My point is that Google controls Android, whether they graciously allow us to have our foss Android and recompile it from sources is nice, but we still depend on Google and this is not good.

This is what needs to change, and there is no way around it.

I beg to defer on the device drivers. Maybe you don’t remember, but it’s been decades before Linux would adapt, reimplement or convince manufacturer to provide drivers for it.

Modems first. Graphics card next. Wi-Fi networks also. Winprinters. They all come to my mind. And it’s only by time and effort that now looks just works everywhere.

And now while graphene indeed is doing a great job that I appreciate very much, at the same time they are not developing an operating system. Google is.

There is a huge effort behind developing a full operating system, and it also requires standardization and somebody who defines what the standards are.

At this point, Google is the only one doing that. And if they go closed doors, no open source AOSP clone could keep up with Google changing standards and still be compatible, which would end up as an incompatible operating system.

My point is that currently Android needs Google, and there is no fooling around. We are years away of being independent from Google, whatever the great effort other developers are doing.

I appreciate everybody’s work and I have been a lineage supporter and maintainer myself.

There are tons of issues that we need to solve to be really independent from Google. Forking he’s the least of those.

I am sorry to say that forking AOSP is not an easy solution.

I cannot talk for Grafene as I don’t know much of that organization, but I have been part of the Lineage Os organization for a little bit as a maintainer, and I can tell you that nobody is actually able to start working on such an effort as an AOSP fork.

I would gladly be happy if such a work would actually be maintained and supported long time, but I’m skeptical that anybody but a big organization has a power and a resource is to do so. After all even Linux is actually brought along by lots of organizations and also commercial organizations.

Yes, we need an open source trust platform, and I believe that is the only real way forward. I would vouch for a Linux mobile operating system, but indeed, air truly open, Android would be good as well.

Bot at all, here is my wiki where I wrote down how I did https://wiki.gardiol.org/doku.php?id=services%3Alemmy its for my own memory and benefit, but shared for others who might need it.

You talk of what you don’t know. Bank apps here are mandatory by law. If you don’t or can’t use a bank app then you can use a SMS verification approach where you are required to PAY SMS that the bank sends you.

Receiving SMS here is free, only those from the bank for verification are to be paid without the bank app, it’s just a scam to force you to use the bank app.

The bank app itself is not a scam like a you are the service approach, and it’s not free either as you pay the bank services with your bank account fees already. Maybe you don’t pay a specific fee for the app, bit you already pay your home banking fees anyway.

Exactly… Using the app is the straightforward way, but you can plug the cable and download raw data files.

Occhio che su lemmy i tuoi post diventano titoli privi di senso (questo ad esempio: “salve a tutti, a questi indirizzi” e basta).

In pratica, nessuno li aprirebbe.

Garmin bike computers connected via USB cables let you download any activity…

Honestly in the sport tracking world, Garmin devices can be used 100% offline, don’t need online activation and all data is accessible (raw) with an USB cable.

Its still proprietary software on very expensive hardware.

This is a totally unrealted point. This applies to the age verification requirements and not the freedom to install apps outside Google control

Given an open certification process anybody could apply and achieve that, at least in theory. Something that with play integrity you cannot being obscured and proprietary.

So who knows, maybe one day even a Linux phone could. But not unless we get an open certification approach.

While play services are mandatory for play cartification, the opposite is not automatic. In fact, bootloader and device fingerprint play an important role and when you replace the stock OS usually play integrity fails by design.

Do you know first hand that you can achieve play integrity with Graphene and no strange tricks like spoof signature or root?

I don’t care for cardless payments, but I do use internet banking, you cannot do without at least here, and government apps too are useful and doing with out is just… Impossible.

Mobile banking is mandatory here, if not able to do mobile banking then you can use non free SMS messages, which sucks.

Government apps mandatory I mean that without, you are cut from most digital government services, which is not practical at all. Survivable, but a pain.

Yes an alternative to play protect/play integrity… But at very least not vendor locked

People don’t get it: it doesn’t matter Graphene or LineageOS. Its still Android and will still be bound to the same limitations, unless you go fully degoogled which means give up on internet banking, cardless payments and government apps. (And much more like m Donalds app and more… But I don’t care for those)

We need open trust platform not one controlled by Google, Graphene or lineage are just not valid alternatives. We need a Linux phone.

My single user instance cost almost zero.

Self-hosted on my hardware that already used to host other stuff. Cpu overhead seems negligible, and network bandwidth is free (=already paid for). Disk space is nothing compared to my Linux ISOs collection.

Why is this a bad idea? Power it with a mini hydro turbine for unlimited. Music

Cant you feel being the frog in the pan? Google just heating up slowly.