FWIW the zero-carb / carnivore communities don’t hate vegans; Nothing about being metabolically healthy requires us to hate on people who choose a different path. The issue is that one group has made their entire identity about what other people eat and proselytizing… so they see the fact zero carb diets work as a personal attack and react… even though it isn’t about them at all.
Thanks for the ping. The more the merrier!
It’s a fairly niche area so keeping the content coming will be a challenge, but I am hopeful these new mods can make it happen.
I’m trying to keep the content coming!
I feel like I’m posting alot!
Ground beef and eggs can be quite reasonable when purchased in bulk from wholesale sources! Keeps my cost down
From watching the video the ROE appears to allow for engagement for crossing the blue line onto federal property or interfering with traffic leaving the compound.
Last time I checked on fairphone they weren’t doing the due diligence for basic security, and that’s why grapheneos won’t touch them
Did they get worse?
People can, and have, lived long happy lives without any fruit.
nobody would argue that
I couldn’t be more wrong if I tried
Help me understand your position then. What was wrong about my original comment that fruit is a treat best enjoyed in moderation?
You won’t die if you don’t eat sugar
He is so well spoken, and his work is very impactful!
I’ll grant you my position is unpopular, but I haven’t seen any data indicating it is wrong.
People can, and have, lived long happy lives without any fruit.
Yes, but its a ketogenic eating pattern. Zero carb.
Carnivore is a type of keto, and gets all of the benefits we see with keto
Carnivore I wouldn’t be surprised about though.
Carnivore is just keto.
PBF : Plant based food - The all plant based diet that gets lots of press
ABF : Animal based foods - the zero carbohydrate ketogenic that usually has lots of controversy
Sure, but the fact remains that glucose is sweet.
Unless you have FLD the vast majority of metabolic damage is from persistently elevated blood glucose. There is no dietary requirement for exogenous glucose in our food.
So is 100g of fructose worse then 100g of glucose? Sure, but glucose is still quite bad and abundant in most people’s diets.
I would love to see a well funded interventional study on institutionalized populations comparing a totally pbf diet vs totally abf diets and settle the debate once and for all.
You would be very surprised! The effects of low-carbohydrate diets on cardiovascular risk factors: A meta-analysis
TLDR Metabolic health is mostly impacted by poor diet, excess glucose and carbohydrates (which directly become glucose). Reducing elevated glucose levels has direct and measurable improvements on blood pressure and CVD risk.
A strict ketogenic intervention is so potent that people taking blood pressure medication have to be very careful and monitor their blood pressure when starting to reduce their medicine so they don’t faint from hypotension… i.e. Cardiovascular disease risk factor responses to a type 2 diabetes care model including nutritional ketosis induced by sustained carbohydrate restriction at 1 year: an open label, non-randomized, controlled study
Whole fruits are a treat that can be tolerated by a healthy person in very moderate quantities. Think about the quantities you would get if you went out physically picking fruit off of a tree. So not a big bowl of easy to consume fruit from the grocery store, but when you put the physical effort in… It’s ok
There is no essential nutrition in fruit, historically, the role of fruit was as a fattening device before winter. An opportunistic caloric boon.
The biggest argument in favor of citrus fruits is there vitamin c. In the modern dietary context with really high blood glucose levels there is competition for the natural vitamin c pathway, the glut4 receptor. Citrus, by virtue of flooding the body of vitamin c, gets enough vitamin c into these cells and wins the competition with the blood glucose levels.
If a whole fruit offsets something worse you could eat, like a candy bar - then yes it is healthier then a candy bar, but it’s also healthier then a cigarette. That doesn’t tell us much about its essential levels of “health” in isolation.
Tldr: whole fruit is a sometimes treat, but it does not contribute to your health.
Glucose by itself tastes sweet
Glucose by itself is also very unhealthy
Niche communities have some growing pains here, but I’m hopeful we will get critical mass… one day