Talk about getting a small dose of your own medicine
Hope they can direct hit the devil himself next
fucking trigger happy Netanyahu should be publicly dragged behind a chariot until he dies for his genocidal crimes and bringing the world to the brink of third world war.
netanyahu approval rating is up among the israel population i bet
Oh no! Some nazis got hit. Aaaanyway
About time they got a taste of their own medicine.
Go Iran!
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Watch out, the enlightened centrist has arrived!
Winston Churchill, Adolf Hitler, well, they are both bad people. Let’s root for neither of them.
I get what you’re saying but you couldn’t have chosen a worse example… Like yeah absolutely fuck Churchill lol, he’s a huge part of the reason why we’re in this mess with Israel now
Still I would have rooted for Churchill when it comes to the conflict of Nazi Germany versus Britain because I am able to separate actions from blindly supporting everything.
Iran to9lo did absolutely horrible things in the past They sent a lot of children to die during their war with Iraq. The Mahsa Amani stuff everyone keeps bringing up is so lightweight but Western propagaganda is the dumbest stuff.
However, currently Iran is aiding Palestine and fighting Israel and they are not sending children to die for it. So I support that action.
Churchill ain’t done shit to defeat Hitler, try with Stalin
It’s still a good example because as bad as Churchill was he was better than Hitler.
Was he, though? How many millions did he murder in the manmade Bengal famine?
I’m not denying Churchills crimes or painting him as good.
How many would Hitler have murdered if he had similar control over the region? Just look at General plan Ost…
There’s a reason the USSR tried to ally with Churchill against Hitler before hostilities even started.
Sure, you have a point, just wanted to remind people that western European countries enacted many genocides to similar scale than Nazi Germany (or greater)
Iran is not the agressor, never was.
And the other side is caricaturally evilMost of the allies in world war 2 were horrible, repressive regimes. I would still support them.
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Iran ranks 3rd in the world in numbers of engineers. 70% of them are women.
‘The second class citizens’ is exagerated, and often simply lies for propaganda purposes, like the Mahsa Amini case.
The last execution of homosexuals was 20 years ago, and this was for rape, not bcs homosexuality.Yes many islamic countries have issues, and these are the typical hasbara machine’s ammo:
“Let us genocide the Palestinians bcs they hate the gays!”Also your WW2 ‘democracies’ were - and still are in many cases - colonisers and looters of a large part of the world.
Do you have a particular source on modern LGBT realities in Iran you could recommend?
No sorry, LGBT is not particularly my interest.
Maybe go on Lemmygrad and ask them directly.
A few hours ago there were some discussing the attacks.
USSR? You know, the MVPs of WW2?
Good one! :D
I wasn’t joking. Or was the USSR a functioning democracy?
The USSR was a functioning democracy, moreso than its peer countries. Rather than being entirely decided by Capital, the Soviets extended democratic input to the economic sector. Soviet Democracy by Pat Sloan and This Soviet World by Anna Louise Strong are both good first-hand accounts.
It certainly wasn’t perfect, either, but it was a dramatic improvement on Capitalism. Zhenli has a good article on contextualizing some of the failures of democracy in early Socialism, as well as pointing out how western leftists often let the perfect Socialism in their heads be the enemy of the flawed but really existing Socialism in the real world, that faces real struggles thanks to being a really existing system.
That’s hardly a reasonable comparison though is it?
It’s entirely reasonable, you just have a white supremacist double standard.
The allies during WW2 were mostly functioning democracies.
The vast majority of the British Empire couldn’t vote and were considered lesser beings. The US had racial inequality inshrined into law and a habit of murdering minorities. The USSR I leave as an exercise to the reader.
This conflict is a theocratic dictatorship
I assume you mean Israel.
which treats women as second class citizens
Lol, the WW2 allies absolutely treated women as second class citizens, and criminalised homosexuality. Its also ghoulish the way westerners go "these countries treat minorities badly, so it’s ok to kill them (including the minorities). Ukraine isn’t perfect about minorities either, do you use that to say they deserve to get invaded? Oh wait, Ukraine in white.
Both sides are fucking evil and to celebrate one over the other is ignorant.
The British Empire was more evil than Iran by multiple orders of magnitude, yet for some reason (white supremacy) you don’t take this stance on WW2
Churchill voted greatest Briton of all times in 2016.
A white supremacist who used the slogan ‘keep Britain white’.
Called Jews ‘hebrew bloodsuckers’ and has murdered millionsAnd it’s the same people who voted him that who are now condemning Iran and defending Israel. Whatever ideology they claim to possess, the one they actually practice is white supremacy.
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Make your point. No one is here to watch your pathetic adhominem attacks. Stop wasting all of our time.
Accurate username on you
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Iran is not nearly as bad as Israel. A world where Iran loses and Israel loses would be a dramatic loss for the people of Iran, while if Israel loses and Iran maintains its sovereignty the people of Iran can chart their own destiny, rather than being dominated by the US and terrorized by Israel. All of this not even mentioning the cessation of the genocide of Palestine.
Yeah, when I said that I didn’t really adequately consider what would actually come of Iran being crippled. Civilian rule is not the likely outcome of Iran being defeated.
And Iran isn’t as bad as Israel, I agree, but that’s a pretty low bar.
A low bar it may be, but as you said in the beginning, a toppled Iran would end up like a toppled Iraq - utterly devastated and all of the flaws that existed pre-Iraq War seem like beauty marks after the genocidal US invasion.
People need to chart their own destiny, free from terrorization backed by the US Empire. Without that pressure, social movements in Iran have more room to breathe without fearing rocket-fire from Israel.
The people of Iran would be wise to take this opportunity to actually plot their destiny.
What would that look like? Trying to help Israel destroy Iran, allowing the US and Israel to sweep in and commit genocide against them like the US did with Iraq? The Iranian state is what currently stands between the people and utter devastation, even if that state is flawed, without it the people of Iran have no destiny to speak of. If revolution comes to Iran, it should be on Iranian terms, not on westerners whose regimes benefit from Israeli aggression against Iran.
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We saw how it ended up in iraq. How many time you guy get fooled by the west propaganda?
Iranians are smart enough to know the threat number one is israel then the rrgime
Iran is a flawed state, certainly, but if Israel succeeds then they will succeed in killing far more women and queer people than the Iranian state could ever hope to execute, along with cisgender folk, liberals, etc. This is pinkwashing. As a queer person myself, this type of rhetoric is just Imperialist apologia, the path to queer liberation of Iranians would be dramatically pushed backwards if Israel succeeds in destroying Iran.
Further, yes, Iran is necessary to stop the genocide in Palestine at this moment. When Western countries are all condemning Iran and backing Israel, it is the Global South that backs Iran. Gazans are cheering, Yemeni people are watching the bombings of Tel Aviv on the big screen. Israel has been the single greatest obstacle in queer liberation in the Middle East as the fomenter of chaos, genocide, and destabilization.
Why is it that queer liberation happens in some countries, and not others? When does it happen? Social progress is a product of economic development and liberation of the Working Class. Bombing Iran and creating a failed state would result in thousands of deaths of queer Iranians, children, and many more.
Do some self-crit. You’re caping for Israel and advocating for the country doing the most to oppose genocide to collapse.
May the entity crumble.
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Let’s see military objects used against Gaza and Iran getting destroyed. Do not raze countries to the ground.
Good thing they are…
This is HORRIBLE! WHY can’t Iran just let Israel Bomb Them in PEACE? IRAN IS ANTI SEMETIC!
Ikr? Also if you’re against Israel bombing hospitals full of children you’re anti semetic! /s
wow so sad, it’s almost like they started multiple wars or something
I feel terrible for every citizen killed or made homeless/jobless because of this.
I don’t. I only feel terrible for the ones who were opposed to these attacks on other countries. Most of them (if the statistics I’ve seen are to be believed) support the actions, so they deserve the consequences. Maybe these people dying horrifically will finally make others consider the value of lives.
every citizen in Palestine and Iran too right?
RIGHT?
What kind of citizen? Palestinian? Iranian?
All
Fun fact: every citizen of the entity is considered a reservist so there ARE no civilians! If you’re a settler you’re a valid target no matter what!
I don’t want to talk ethics, but as a rule of thumb, winning a war is easier if you take out strategic targets than if you target civilians. Targeting civilians is what you do if your weapons aren’t precise enough to target tanks/planes etc.
Idk man. If you’re a child, a unhoused, or a otherwise a person without the economic means to leave because your ancestors were settlers and you just so happened to be born in the colonized land, I’d consider you a civilian. I think your view is too black and white.
Screw you if you’re a deliberate Zionist benefiting from genocide though.
Israelis aren’t walled in and prevented from leaving like Palestinians are in Gaza.
Israelis have no practical excuse to continue their occupation, especially when everyone is forced to serve in the IDF to actively aid the occupation rather than just passively.
As long as they are not on active duty, they shouldn’t be targets. And if they are forced to serve, they should still only be killed if they are an active threat. Normally, they should first be offered to surrender.
Hope you’re acting ironic and do not actually call to genocide all Jews in Israel.
No, but all Israelis that are zionists maybe.
Zionists are not Jewish people, they are actually against Judaism.
I believe it’s the Talmud that says Israel cannot exist until the messiah returns. This is why you have many religious Jews in the US against the state of Israel.
Zionists are the one and only antisemites.
Zionists are mostly Jews, but Jews are mostly not Zionists.
But yes, according to Talmud, Israel shouldn’t exist.
There are more Christian Zionists than there are Jews in total.
“Zionists are mostly Jews” is an objectively false statement.
Maybe specifically in Israel the statement could be seen as true, but that’s only because Israel is a jewish settler ethnostate, so most of almost any grouping would be a majority Jews.
Zionist are not jews. They might say they are but the are against Judaism just like southern Christians are not Christians.
Shouldn’t be a citizen on stolen land.
USAmericans sweating rn 😬
Us next!
Don’t think they care much. Or about anything except themselves for that matter.
The most navel staring country on the planetThe reason the US supports Israel is exactly because Israel is a settler-colony. They’re part of the same genocidal settler project, Zionism is Manifest Destiny.
If landback wins in Israel the ones paying attention know that it’s coming for them too.
It’s also a geographically beneficial located proxy.
But they didn’t have to make a colony of European settlers to do that, did they? Egypt is a loyal collaborator with the US and it fulfills the same geostrategic goals, but the amount of support Egypt gets pales in comparison to Israel. Why is that?
We can’t dismiss the ideological importance of Israel. The unlimited support of the 51st state is exactly because it is a settler-colony.
Every land is stolen. The problem is that they’re in the middle of committing genocide.
Not ‘every’ land but I get the point.
Still it doesn’t compare and there’s no excuse.
In this case the colonising is still going on, hence the genocide.
They are not ‘citizens’ but colonisers.
They deserve all they get, what they don’t deserve is sympathy.I would disagree. If you go back far enough, every land has been stolen. There is probably no piece of land that hasn’t been held by multiple different groups over time.
I’d also argue a government existing at all is stolen land. What gives them the right to the land, instead of the people using it as they want? At some point someone decided the land was theirs, and not someone else’s, and decided they could sell, lend, or use the land as they want, even if someone else also wanted to use it.
Before colonialism, empires would conquer lands and then just make the people who already live there into their subjects.
And before empires and agriculture and such, people weren’t really organized enough to steal land (and weren’t embedded deeply enough in the land for it to be stolen). They’d just move to the new land and become part of the people already there.
Someone made the same point so answered this already to show it is an invalid argument in the case of Palestine.
Hopefully they take the opportunity for a fresh start and move out of the settler occupation of Palestine.
If they voted for Netanyahu they asked for it, and I have no sympathy.
The rest would do the same.
As they always have proven their entire miserable history.
Singling out Netanyahoo is Bernie the sheepdog’s tactics of dammage controlBlaming the government in power and those who put them in power for the actions taken by the government is totally reasonable.
You’re suggesting well “what about a hypothetical government that doesn’t exist huh?”. That doesn’t matter. They don’t exist. Blame the government
Every government before him was the same, they’re not ‘hypothetical’. Ridiculous argument.
What doesn’t exist is a reality where the next government isn’t brutally mistreating Palestine.
Your hasbara is weakFirst let’s settle one thing, Israel has no right to exist. I’m against assuming 100% of the populace is all for the genocide. The majority government and their supporters clearly are.
The apartheid state of Israel needs to end. The genocide needs to be stopped by any means, except a genocide in return.
The entire majority government and their supporters can hang.
I’m not going to condem the rest for a “thought” crime they didn’t commit. Maybe they would have done the same thing, maybe not.
I hope you are being naive.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/9/poll-53-israelis-support-extrajudicial-killings.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-half-of-jewish-israelis-say-israel-should-run-gaza-after-the-war-0-say-hamas/Plenty of jews outside the apartheid state are against it.
Those that live there, wether bcs of propaganda or a superiority complex don’t.
Maybe 5 to 10% maximum have normal views.
You know what they say about people trying the same thing and expecting different results.
Israel didn’t become an apartheid genocidal occupation of Palestinian land under Netanyahu. It’s has been since its founding.
You’re suggesting we close our eyes and pretend their entire history doesn’t matter, that we just blame the current figurehead and his (variable but typically increasingly few) direct supporters.
Well I’m glad all of your elected officials represent your views and morals.
The majority of Israelis supports the genocide of the Palestinians according to surveys and more than half of jewish Israelis support attacking Iran even without US support.
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The majority of the world is critical of ALL Americans now for Trump, he was elected twice, thant’s on them all. Israelis have expressed majority support for this ongoing genocide and attacks on Iran, this is on them all. Bomb a soverign nation “pre emptively” get bombed back.
Fuck the entire Israeli government and anyone who supports it.
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I mean if a candidate is the “Hello, I am literally hitler” candidate and you vote for them, maybe you’re fucked in the head?
What they can’t do some wars and genocide now???
Went to the toilet and missed this one please do another
I was watching on my phone, so I didn’t miss shit.
No it’s OK, I missed it too, they can do it again so we can see. It’s allowed
Oh poor Israel thought Iron Dome will protect them. Iran learned a lot from Ukraine. Drones in masses are enough to penetrate the shield. And don’t forget that the Iron Dome costs Israel 1 billion USD for each night in full defence mode. It only takes a couple of days, weeks until the Iron Dome is empty.
War is such an insanely expensive hobby it makes me kinda sick.
Know that US gives fake loans (forgiven the same day) for all IDF expenses. This is somehow not part of US miitary budget even though they pay for everything.
Where are you getting this $1B figure? It appears the main cost is rockets, which run about $50k per. $1B would account for launching 20,000 rockets. There are 10 batteries in Israel with at most 80 rockets each, so a maximum of 800 rockets. That means 25 reloads a day. Is it really burning through that many rockets daily or is there more to this?
I would assume that operational and logistics costs apply to this figure. Aka shipping and handling, which is never free.
This. And all the repairs. Also we’re talking here about military stuff. You don’t use FedEx to ship that. Military personell + equipment is expensive as fuck. Efficiency is not of priority.
Israel attacked with local drones. Iran attacked the Israeli defense network first with expensive hypersonics and then with good old BMs
Except the US will unilaterally restock the missiles at the expense of the holy american tax payer.
How long can we afford to do that?
Given the political climate, money isn’t really the issue. The issue is how many THAAD missiles do we have stockpiled, how fast can we make them, and how fast can we ship them?
“quantative easing”
Literally printing money
While there’s infinite money, there’s very limited industrial capacity, because the US de-industrialized itself. The US and Europe combined already can’t keep Ukraine supplied.
can’t fire money, can’t print industrial capacity
I meant more politically and materially than just monetarily.
If we cut social programs at home and continue to send/ ramp up even more billions to support Israel it will just create even more unrest, which is already at a low boil.
We also don’t have unlimited manufacturing capabilities. How much material can we sacrifice without weakening our own access to these resources.
Depends on how much of the US military gets deployed in the US…
Emphasis on the USD?
Come back to America where you belong.
I’ll kick your fucking teeth in for perpetuating genocide, but at least you’ll be alive
