Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts – and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change.
The group of protesters remained steadfast, even in the face of annihilation. Shots rang out, innocents were struck, and people began to die. Nonetheless — there was power in numbers, and solidarity that allowed them to find courage — and thousands joined hands as bullets flew. “Students linked arms but were mown down,” wrote Donald. “APCs then ran over the bodies time and time again to make, quote ‘pie’ unquote, and remains collected by bulldozer.”
As if this wasn’t atrocious enough, the government’s criminal and brutal activity that day got even worse. With no regard for the families of these victims, not to mention their identities, what was left of them was disposed of — in an unspeakably callous manner.
“Remains incinerated and then hosed down drains,” Donald wrote.
For hell’s sake have you ever seen the entire video from which the picture was extracted? The guy literally stopped the tanks, had a chat with them, and walked away unharmed.
This literally shows exactly what I’m saying… There are pictures of tankman climbing the tank to have a chat with the crew…
Regardless, I’ve compiled all of the sources from the article:
A doctor at the time said
a radio announcer reported the
Or, even worse:
a secret British cable from the time alleged that
So essentially: either “source: trust me bro”, or “source: external actor from a geopolitically opposed nation”. Would you be taking “a secret Russian cable from the time alleged that” with regard to, e.g., police repression in BLM protests?
Lmao especially at the main (and last) source from the article:
Freedom House, an independent organization dedicated to promoting freedom around the world
Like, how is this not an obvious CIA front organization? Are you actually that gullible? It’s literally “freedom eagle burger institute”…
British ambassador to China Sir Alan Donald wrote a secret diplomatic cable
Again with the western sources. This is laughable, and the fact that you would even consider this serious makes you so pathetically gullible that I’m this close to giving up talking with you, but let’s go ahead.
The former ambassador explained that his account stemmed from personal conversations from a “good friend” in China’s State Council
“Bro I swear, a Chinese official whom I won’t name told me all of this the same day, I swear bro. It doesn’t matter that my country is an anticommunist capitalist regime with clear motives to make up atrocity propaganda as it’s done many times in the past, just trust me bro”. What a fucking joke of a source.
Anyway, all of this isn’t to say there was no violence in the Tiananmen protests. Protesters were indeed killed by the army, I’m not arguing against this, I literally only talked about the tankman picture before.
But, as your picture evidence proves (there are literally burnt tanks and murdered soldiers in the pictures), this isn’t because “le evil seeseepee authoritarians against peaceful wholesome 100 protesters”. The article actually contradicts the western press reports at the time, which confirmed that the military violence against protestors happened outside the Tiananmen square, proving that your article is mostly manufactured western anticommunist propaganda.
The violence started from the protestors against the military, and the military responded. I’m not claiming the response was appropriate, limited and not brutal, I am not really aware of the numbers and I honestly don’t care much to know, they dwarf in comparison with the hundreds of millions of lives that China saved through the land collectivisation policies in the Mao times, the accessibility to decent healthcare, and the decolonisation of China.
Bonus point: funny how there is a widespread availability of HQ pictures from a 1989 protest and the victims of state violence in China, but we live in 2025 fully into the smartphone era and there isn’t a single shred of photographic evidence of the famous so-called “Uyghur genocide”
There are pictures of tankman climbing the tank to have a chat with the crew
Oh wow, so I wonder what happened to Tank Man afterwards. He must be pretty famous in China then for starring in such an iconic picture. Has anyone spoken to him afterwards? No? Why’s that?
military violence against protestors happened outside the Tiananmen square
Oh yes, my bad, that totally makes it ok. Massacres outside the square don’t count. ☺️
Thanks for completely ignoring my analysis of the sources of your “have you seen this, you filthy commie?” article. Kinda proving that you’re arguing from vibes here and not from material evidence.
Has anyone spoken to him afterwards? No? Why’s that?
Because he’s an anonymous dude only known from a low-res video that absolutely doesn’t allow for identification?
Massacres outside the square don’t count
You’re being purposefully obtuse. I explicitly said that the degree of repression was probably overboard and unnecessary, and a dark episode in Chinese history. You’re literally ignoring my reasonable points and arguing against strawmans, while refusing to do the bare minimum analysis of the sources of your material
I explicitly said that the degree of repression was probably overboard and unnecessary, and a dark episode in Chinese history.
Yet, here you are, completely triggered and feeling the need to argue and bending over backwards to defend China over a single picture of a lego figurine that I posted.
You could have just agreed that using tanks against protestors is indeed Very Bad™, like a normal fucking person. So yeah, of course I’m going to ridicule you, you daft cunt.
Hey bloemkool, in the English language, people typically only have one brain. I’m not a zombie, so I have no need for multiple brains. So do you have anything else besides ad hominems?
Also not interested in low level basic about the irrelevant tinyman square noise so bye.
I just asked two simple yes/no questions. It is telling that you are refusing to answer.
I said not interested.
And the other answers: “out-of-context, manipulative, anticommunist, CIA-sponsored atrocity propaganda” shows people know what you’re doing.
So calling you out on it is not an ad hominem since YOU did it.
And you’re the one using cheap obvious fallacies here like putting words in my mouth “the Tiananmen square massacre did not happen”
That CIA orchestrated failed attempt at destabilisation maybe was a massacre.
Seen pictures of many dead bicycles.
Unfortunately also from the lynched police from the rioters who infiltrated the protest.
One of the many things that OC was hidden in our oh so free and objective democratic western press.
I bet you haven’t got a clue the protest was about.
So before I get bored of toying with you, have you something of value and relevant to ad or only more platitudes?
You, digging up an irrelevant non-event from half a century ago, a fixation of the rabid anti-communist US imperialist propaganda machine shows who is in an echo chamber.
Imagine choosing a user name like that. LOL How fanatic must you be?
And so you have nothing meaningful to offer as I expected.
Better luck somewhere else, bye
You, digging up an irrelevant non-event from half a century ago, a fixation of the rabid anti-communist US imperialist propaganda machine shows who is in an echo chamber.
You’re the one who got fixated on it sweetheart. I just showed you an image of a lego figurine and offff you went. You guys are so easy to trigger. 😂
And so you have nothing meaningful to offer as I expected.
Says the twerp who is afraid to even answer a simple yes/no question about this so called “irrelevant non-event” from half a century ago.
You’re like the holocaust denier or flat-earther who is afraid to answer the obvious question because they know they will be ridiculed and deep down they know they’re wrong and have no arguments to defend themselves.
^^
You do realize that he wasn’t run over unlike the Palestinians who do get run over by Israeli tanks.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-gaza-israeli-tanks-deliberately-running-over-dozens-palestinians-alive
Not just Palestinians, Rachel Corrie got run over by an Israeli bulldozer and she was a peaceful protestor from the US.
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/30/1241231447/rachel-corrie-gaza-palestinians-aid-israel-hamas-war
https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs
Sounds like pure 100% propaganda. No surprise from angry loser account.
For hell’s sake have you ever seen the entire video from which the picture was extracted? The guy literally stopped the tanks, had a chat with them, and walked away unharmed.
Of course not. Nobody actually watches the video. They just see Lego memes of the picture and conclude “Communism Killed 100 Zillion People”
And like clockwork, here they come crawling out of the woodworks …
Imagine this overt troll complaining about people crawling out of the woodwork.
Yet here you are 😘
“Oh no, the evil tankies are here to give facts against my CIA-manufactured sinophobic propaganda :(”
Please, answer: have you ever watched the entire thing?
Have you ever watched this, tankboy?
https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs
I especially liked the bit about using tanks to make human pie, and then flushing the pie down the drains.
This literally shows exactly what I’m saying… There are pictures of tankman climbing the tank to have a chat with the crew…
Regardless, I’ve compiled all of the sources from the article:
Or, even worse:
So essentially: either “source: trust me bro”, or “source: external actor from a geopolitically opposed nation”. Would you be taking “a secret Russian cable from the time alleged that” with regard to, e.g., police repression in BLM protests?
Lmao especially at the main (and last) source from the article:
Like, how is this not an obvious CIA front organization? Are you actually that gullible? It’s literally “freedom eagle burger institute”…
Again with the western sources. This is laughable, and the fact that you would even consider this serious makes you so pathetically gullible that I’m this close to giving up talking with you, but let’s go ahead.
“Bro I swear, a Chinese official whom I won’t name told me all of this the same day, I swear bro. It doesn’t matter that my country is an anticommunist capitalist regime with clear motives to make up atrocity propaganda as it’s done many times in the past, just trust me bro”. What a fucking joke of a source.
Anyway, all of this isn’t to say there was no violence in the Tiananmen protests. Protesters were indeed killed by the army, I’m not arguing against this, I literally only talked about the tankman picture before.
But, as your picture evidence proves (there are literally burnt tanks and murdered soldiers in the pictures), this isn’t because “le evil seeseepee authoritarians against peaceful wholesome 100 protesters”. The article actually contradicts the western press reports at the time, which confirmed that the military violence against protestors happened outside the Tiananmen square, proving that your article is mostly manufactured western anticommunist propaganda.
The violence started from the protestors against the military, and the military responded. I’m not claiming the response was appropriate, limited and not brutal, I am not really aware of the numbers and I honestly don’t care much to know, they dwarf in comparison with the hundreds of millions of lives that China saved through the land collectivisation policies in the Mao times, the accessibility to decent healthcare, and the decolonisation of China.
Bonus point: funny how there is a widespread availability of HQ pictures from a 1989 protest and the victims of state violence in China, but we live in 2025 fully into the smartphone era and there isn’t a single shred of photographic evidence of the famous so-called “Uyghur genocide”
Oh wow, so I wonder what happened to Tank Man afterwards. He must be pretty famous in China then for starring in such an iconic picture. Has anyone spoken to him afterwards? No? Why’s that?
Oh yes, my bad, that totally makes it ok. Massacres outside the square don’t count. ☺️
Thanks for completely ignoring my analysis of the sources of your “have you seen this, you filthy commie?” article. Kinda proving that you’re arguing from vibes here and not from material evidence.
Because he’s an anonymous dude only known from a low-res video that absolutely doesn’t allow for identification?
You’re being purposefully obtuse. I explicitly said that the degree of repression was probably overboard and unnecessary, and a dark episode in Chinese history. You’re literally ignoring my reasonable points and arguing against strawmans, while refusing to do the bare minimum analysis of the sources of your material
Yet, here you are, completely triggered and feeling the need to argue and bending over backwards to defend China over a single picture of a lego figurine that I posted.
You could have just agreed that using tanks against protestors is indeed Very Bad™, like a normal fucking person. So yeah, of course I’m going to ridicule you, you daft cunt.
thanks CIA, your cringe BS is still cringe.
Guess that’s all you have, certainly not arguments
So let me get this clear: your position is that I am CIA and that the Tiananmen square massacre did not happen?
Is that correct, or am I missing something? Feel free to use “arguments” to explain yourself.
you are missing a lot, brains mostly.
Also not interested in low level basic about the irrelevant tinyman square noise so bye.
Hey bloemkool, in the English language, people typically only have one brain. I’m not a zombie, so I have no need for multiple brains. So do you have anything else besides ad hominems?
I just asked two simple yes/no questions. It is telling that you are refusing to answer.
I said not interested.
And the other answers: “out-of-context, manipulative, anticommunist, CIA-sponsored atrocity propaganda” shows people know what you’re doing.
So calling you out on it is not an ad hominem since YOU did it.
And you’re the one using cheap obvious fallacies here like putting words in my mouth “the Tiananmen square massacre did not happen”
That CIA orchestrated failed attempt at destabilisation maybe was a massacre.
Seen pictures of many dead bicycles.
Unfortunately also from the lynched police from the rioters who infiltrated the protest.
One of the many things that OC was hidden in our oh so free and objective democratic western press.
I bet you haven’t got a clue the protest was about.
So before I get bored of toying with you, have you something of value and relevant to ad or only more platitudes?
No, you said I was lacking brains (sic). That is an ad hominem.
You know you are in an echo chamber right?
Oh honey 😂
You, digging up an irrelevant non-event from half a century ago, a fixation of the rabid anti-communist US imperialist propaganda machine shows who is in an echo chamber.
Imagine choosing a user name like that. LOL How fanatic must you be?
And so you have nothing meaningful to offer as I expected.
Better luck somewhere else, bye
You’re the one who got fixated on it sweetheart. I just showed you an image of a lego figurine and offff you went. You guys are so easy to trigger. 😂
Says the twerp who is afraid to even answer a simple yes/no question about this so called “irrelevant non-event” from half a century ago.
You’re like the holocaust denier or flat-earther who is afraid to answer the obvious question because they know they will be ridiculed and deep down they know they’re wrong and have no arguments to defend themselves.