When did you learn that hurting was wrong and who taught you?
How many people do you know, or have known, who disagree that violence is wrong?
We require our “morality” to be taught. You didn’t come to your idea of morality alone, and all evidence suggests that humans have had spiritual beliefs throughout our species existence, and unified spiritual belief seems to be a requirement for a stable, spreadable, and consistent “moral code” that can be taught to everyone.
Even our relatives that we can observe have “premoral behaviours”, which we would have needed to form our “morality”, yet they do not have a consistent “moral” code across the entire species.
When did you learn that hurting was wrong and who taught you?
The first time something hurt me and I didn’t like it.
My human, inherent empathy then led me to the conclusion that I don’t want other people to be hurt needlessly. Yes, empathy is indeed inherent and has evolutionary roots. I absolutely can’t explain that entire framework here, you could read The Selfish Gene for example.
Yes I am sure the first time you were hurt as a baby, before conscious thought even kicked in, you suddenly knew what was “morally correct”.
There is no such thing as “inherent” traits. If that were true no human would hurt another human because we all would be coded not to do that and wouldn’t need someone to tell you what is wrong and right.
If all evidence suggests that groups of humans have all had a spiritual belief structure I think it is safe to assume that as a requirement for a consistent, and easy to communicate “moral code”.
Yes I am sure the first time you were hurt as a baby, before conscious thought even kicked in, you suddenly knew what was “morally correct”.
I did not say that.
There is no such thing as “inherent” traits. If that were true no human would hurt another human because we all would be coded not to do that and wouldn’t need someone to tell you what is wrong and right.
There are, believe it or not, more things besides empathy that determine human behaviour. Weird, complicated creatures.
If all evidence suggests that groups of humans have all had a spiritual belief structure I think it is safe to assume that as a requirement for a consistent, and easy to communicate “moral code”.
That just means humans also have an inherent wish to understand and explain things, even when they don’t have the necessary means yet.
The first time something hurt me and I didn’t like it.
I did not say that.
You may want to answer my question “When did you learn that hurting was wrong and who taught you?” again considering you were a baby without definable consciousness.
There are, believe it or not, more things besides empathy that determine human behaviour. Weird, complicated creatures.
You are free to provide examples if you want me to agree with you.
That just means humans akso have an inherent wish to understand and explain things, even when they don’t have the necessary means yet.
Which means that spiritual and religious belief structures would have been required for us to advance to where we are today, which was my entire point, based on your idea of “inherent”. Even though again, nothing is “inherent” regarding moral belief.
You may want to answer my question “When did you learn that hurting was wrong and who taught you?” again considering you were a baby without definable consciousness.
People rarely learn stuff all at once but gradually and in stages.
You are free to provide examples if you want me to agree with you.
I guess I won’t provide any examples then.
I read that wrong, I apologise for the snark.
You’re human, you know examples.
Which means that spiritual and religious belief structures would have been required for us to advance to where we are today, which was my entire point, based on your idea of “inherent”. Even though again, nothing is “inherent” regarding moral belief.
The idea that things are inherently “Right” or “Wrong”, “Good” or “Bad”.
And to determine that, “I won’t hurt you if you don’t hurt me” and “does this hurt someone?” isn’t enough as a starting point?
When did you learn that hurting was wrong and who taught you?
How many people do you know, or have known, who disagree that violence is wrong?
We require our “morality” to be taught. You didn’t come to your idea of morality alone, and all evidence suggests that humans have had spiritual beliefs throughout our species existence, and unified spiritual belief seems to be a requirement for a stable, spreadable, and consistent “moral code” that can be taught to everyone.
Even our relatives that we can observe have “premoral behaviours”, which we would have needed to form our “morality”, yet they do not have a consistent “moral” code across the entire species.
The first time something hurt me and I didn’t like it.
My human, inherent empathy then led me to the conclusion that I don’t want other people to be hurt needlessly. Yes, empathy is indeed inherent and has evolutionary roots. I absolutely can’t explain that entire framework here, you could read The Selfish Gene for example.
Yes I am sure the first time you were hurt as a baby, before conscious thought even kicked in, you suddenly knew what was “morally correct”.
There is no such thing as “inherent” traits. If that were true no human would hurt another human because we all would be coded not to do that and wouldn’t need someone to tell you what is wrong and right.
If all evidence suggests that groups of humans have all had a spiritual belief structure I think it is safe to assume that as a requirement for a consistent, and easy to communicate “moral code”.
I did not say that.
There are, believe it or not, more things besides empathy that determine human behaviour. Weird, complicated creatures.
That just means humans also have an inherent wish to understand and explain things, even when they don’t have the necessary means yet.
Edit: typo
You may want to answer my question “When did you learn that hurting was wrong and who taught you?” again considering you were a baby without definable consciousness.
You are free to provide examples if you want me to agree with you.
Which means that spiritual and religious belief structures would have been required for us to advance to where we are today, which was my entire point, based on your idea of “inherent”. Even though again, nothing is “inherent” regarding moral belief.
People rarely learn stuff all at once but gradually and in stages.
I guess I won’t provide any examples then.I read that wrong, I apologise for the snark.
You’re human, you know examples.
That does not follow from what I said.
If you have a point to make, make it. Otherwise go away if you aren’t going to engage in good faith discussion.