I’m not saying pacifism. What is a pacifist going to do when the ruling class uses incredible violence against us? Just like they do every day, with no warning or reason? I’m not a hand-wringing liberal, but mass murder is not a viable option. Violence creates problems that can only be responded to, and solved, with violence. And sometimes, its necessary to defend our selves, our class, our communities. I would recommend a kind of armed nonviolence such as was practiced by the Deacons of Defense and Justice (but don’t believe the liberal distortions, they were tough.) Armed defense, shoot at us and we shoot back. The revolutionary activity must be defended. But violence is a tactic, not a strategy.
There are revolutionary socialist orgs you can join. No one here is advocating for reformism. But an individual using violence or not, can’t affect change. If you actually care to affect change you will get organized somehow. If not then you can complain online, and make sure your perspectives are never heard or boosted by anyone. Seems like a shame to me, I’d rather you were with us.
But if you aren’t organized, you are actually part of the problem, because the default without anyone doing anything, is the billionaires use their violence against us. Sounds like you are tired of being part of the problem, but can’t see any options. Well, I’m telling you, there are options.
What is what you thought? I’ve encountered lots of people who talk tough about violent class war. And they ain’t doing shit.
If you’re serious, buy weapons and start a gay worker militia. You will get a bunch of members pretty quickly, and it will teach you how things actually work when you try to organize against forces that are organized against us.
You’re right, violent means will be necessary. But that’s not the path I’m on, at least not as far as I can tell. If that’s your path, then make it meaningful, get people together and throw your collective weight around. My criticism of your methods will be based on your actual tactics and strategy, but like I said, I support the formation of armed defense militias. But I can’t form them, its not what I’m committed to, and I’d like to keep a worker defense militia separate from the political influence until they are strong enough to set their own agenda.
But I suspect that you can’t think of anything, imagine anything, but total annihilation. After all, its easier to imagine the end of the world than an end to capitalism. So take the easy way out, dream of apocalypse, it is surely coming without all the people locked into toxic spirals of despair, which serves the billionaires. Your hopelessness and impotent threats serve the ruling class. Kill one and there will be a line of people just as depraved and psychotic to replace him.
Or, get off your ass and start a revolution. Put up or shut up. Individual talk is meaningless. Collective action can change history. So if you thought that you are in the first group and I was in the second, then you thought correctly. But I think there’s more to you than that. Call it a difference of opinion.
I’m not saying pacifism. What is a pacifist going to do when the ruling class uses incredible violence against us? Just like they do every day, with no warning or reason? I’m not a hand-wringing liberal, but mass murder is not a viable option. Violence creates problems that can only be responded to, and solved, with violence. And sometimes, its necessary to defend our selves, our class, our communities. I would recommend a kind of armed nonviolence such as was practiced by the Deacons of Defense and Justice (but don’t believe the liberal distortions, they were tough.) Armed defense, shoot at us and we shoot back. The revolutionary activity must be defended. But violence is a tactic, not a strategy.
There are revolutionary socialist orgs you can join. No one here is advocating for reformism. But an individual using violence or not, can’t affect change. If you actually care to affect change you will get organized somehow. If not then you can complain online, and make sure your perspectives are never heard or boosted by anyone. Seems like a shame to me, I’d rather you were with us.
But if you aren’t organized, you are actually part of the problem, because the default without anyone doing anything, is the billionaires use their violence against us. Sounds like you are tired of being part of the problem, but can’t see any options. Well, I’m telling you, there are options.
Yeah that’s what I thought.
What is what you thought? I’ve encountered lots of people who talk tough about violent class war. And they ain’t doing shit.
If you’re serious, buy weapons and start a gay worker militia. You will get a bunch of members pretty quickly, and it will teach you how things actually work when you try to organize against forces that are organized against us.
You’re right, violent means will be necessary. But that’s not the path I’m on, at least not as far as I can tell. If that’s your path, then make it meaningful, get people together and throw your collective weight around. My criticism of your methods will be based on your actual tactics and strategy, but like I said, I support the formation of armed defense militias. But I can’t form them, its not what I’m committed to, and I’d like to keep a worker defense militia separate from the political influence until they are strong enough to set their own agenda.
But I suspect that you can’t think of anything, imagine anything, but total annihilation. After all, its easier to imagine the end of the world than an end to capitalism. So take the easy way out, dream of apocalypse, it is surely coming without all the people locked into toxic spirals of despair, which serves the billionaires. Your hopelessness and impotent threats serve the ruling class. Kill one and there will be a line of people just as depraved and psychotic to replace him.
Or, get off your ass and start a revolution. Put up or shut up. Individual talk is meaningless. Collective action can change history. So if you thought that you are in the first group and I was in the second, then you thought correctly. But I think there’s more to you than that. Call it a difference of opinion.